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I see one possibility, although it would be complicated engineering. The centre cap comes off, revealing screws securing the narrower glissy parts, which are decorative trim covering the lugs. Earlier posits for explaining a wheel (vs cover) were that the wider matte sections were the trim, but we proved that left no room for the lugs.

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Hey Steven,

I think a threaded centre cap holds the trim (ie: lug nut cover) in place. No need for additional screws. That would explain why it looks like a threaded piece, as it would need to be pretty secure. Seems like a simple solution to me? As far as the larger portion being the wheel, that's absolutely my thinking. It's a pretty big hunk of metal but given the "thought" Musk said went into the wheels I bet it's still light for its size.

The matte black alpha car had essentially the same wheels. I can't see arguably the most "performance" looking of the alphas having hubcaps. Honestly I'm not sure where the whole hubcap theory came from and why it's got so much traction. The idea of that kind of engineering solution on a car in this segment is kinda silly, but who knows I could be wrong.
 

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The same reason you asked -- to get to the lug nuts.
The lug nuts are not under the center medallion which is about 2" in diameter. I would think that you get to the lug nuts by prying off the WCs at the outer edges. I think maybe the center medallion is a decorative piece that just snaps on for ease of manufacture.

There is something going on with those WCs we don't understand. What makes me say that is the picture of the car shipped to NZ with the WCs in place. Usually, they would be shipped separate and placed in the trunk for placement after arrival. The other picture is the mysterious white tabs on the WCs on the silver car in Burbank. It's a mystery.
 

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My guess is that the centre medallion holds the 'pizza' cover. To remove, unscrew medallion, pull off cover, and access the lug nuts. The larger wheels have a similar but smaller cover for the lug nuts.
 
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The lug nuts are not under the center medallion which is about 2" in diameter. I would think that you get to the lug nuts by prying off the WCs at the outer edges. I think maybe the center medallion is a decorative piece that just snaps on for ease of manufacture.

The centre medallion is a nut that holds the larger "star" shaped dark charcoal piece in place. It's plastic. The lug nuts are under that. Mystery solved ;)
 

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Honestly I'm not sure where the whole hubcap theory came from and why it's got so much traction. The idea of that kind of engineering solution on a car in this segment is kinda silly, but who knows I could be wrong.
I think that the whole idea evolved from the theory that there would be two wheel choices, an 18" V-spoke wheels with WCs and a 19" turbine wheel. Your theory could be correct, but that would then mean there would be three wheel choices - 18" V-spoke wheels, 18" Alpha style wheels, and 19" turbine wheels. That possibility would really upset the applecart and place all the mathematical option variants of less than 100 option combinations into turmoil! As it is, with the possibility that there will be more than 5 basic colors makes the fewer than 100 option combinations is difficult to achieve.
 
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The centre medallion is a nut that holds the larger "star" shaped dark charcoal piece in place. It's plastic. The lug nuts are under that. Mystery solved ;)
I don't think that is realistic. The center medallion has 5 slots that seem to indicate the medallion pops off. I don't see how you could unscrew it. And why would Tesla make a 3 piece WC - medallion, lug nut cover, and wheel cover? That just complicates manufacturing.

You could be right that this is a whole different rim. That would be a real surprise (see my post above). But if that is the case, why would Tesla make a 2 piece lug cover when they made a 1 piece cover for the turbine wheels? It would just complicate manufacturing.
 

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Threaded centre caps/lug nut covers aren't new. Can't think of all of them but I remember working on old BBS wheels that had them. As far as this design, not really that complicated....unscrewing via a tool that sticks in each of the 5 slots on the cap. My VW needs a tool to remove the lug nut caps, an extra tool to pull the center cap seems pretty reasonable.
 

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Anyways, that's just my guess based on what I've seen. I suppose we will see who's theory is right in a little bit!
 

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Anyways, that's just my guess based on what I've seen. I suppose we will see who's theory is right in a little bit!
That's all part of the fun when we have nothing else to do for 2 weeks. I expect my invitation to the event will arrive in the mail any day now.
 

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Yep, it's all about sku management. Both OEMs and the aftermarket tried doing true directional as far back as the 80's and it quickly became an inventory and replacement nightmare. Also limits your options for tire rotation. So pretty much everyone has dropped this in favour of faux directional, the logic being you can never see both sides of the car at once and therefore the vast majority of the road-going populace will be none the wiser.

As far as aero effects and range extending goes, the best result is usually achieved with a solid disc. The only reason you would want any kind of "effect" would be to either scoop air in or extract it out (and it's almost always the latter so as to take advantage of the positive pressure that exists beneath the chassis) in order to cool the brakes. Great for race cars but not so much needed on an EV. So I suspect these aero covers are designed very much like all the other high-efficiency ones we've seen, that is to achieve the minimum required brake ventilation while doing as little as possible to disturb the airflow.
Yours is basically a perfect answer to the query. Problem is...? That still doesn't satisfy my own personal sense of 'rightness' with the world. Very few cars have used OEM turbines that were specific to left & right sides of the cars. Offhand, I only remember some being on Chevrolet Corvette and Honda Prelude. Other cars that should have had directional wheels (Pontiac Firebird, Grand Am, and Grand Prix) did not. It still bugs me when I see a Prelude with the wheels misapplied. And you are correct in that the grand majority of the populace doesn't notice at all. But I do.

It's like when I noticed that on cars with flip up headlights, it seems to always be the one on the left side of the car that is permanently stuck in the UP position. I can tell that is because someone designed the right side headlight first, then lazily flipped the plans to represent the left side headlight, without realizing that one critical component would work its way out of place in that orientation, leaving it stuck in the UP position after a while. Yeah, I really hate turbine/windmill wheels for precisely the reason that it gets on my nerves that even when it is possible to apply them the 'right' way people do it wrong anyway. And it gets even worse for me to see the wheels cutting INTO the wind on one side of the car, but spinning WITH the wind on the other side.

What is that term again...? Ah, yes... 'Obsessive Compulsive'. I may not actually have that disorder, but I do notice things that bug me. Meh. 'A Man's Got to Know His Limitations' and stuff. Another example? How everyone in my Family -- each and every household -- insists upon loading up the toilet paper dispenser in the bathroom the exact WRONG way. I'll leave you to figure out which way that is... :D
 
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I think that the whole idea evolved from the theory that there would be two wheel choices, an 18" V-spoke wheels with WCs and a 19" turbine wheel. Your theory could be correct, but that would then mean there would be three wheel choices - 18" V-spoke wheels, 18" Alpha style wheels, and 19" turbine wheels. That possibility would really upset the applecart and place all the mathematical option variants of less than 100 option combinations into turmoil! As it is, with the possibility that there will be more than 5 basic colors makes the fewer than 100 option combinations is difficult to achieve.

Not necessarily?
5 (exterior colors) * 3 (wheels) * 2 (interior colors) * 3 (50 kWh, 75 kWh, 75 kWh+AWD) = 90

Of course, that ignores the possibility of there being a tech package for Model 3 (not sure if that counts as a separate variant branch, though).

Edit: Ah, missed the ”more than 5 basic colors”. My bad.
 

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Why are we still concerned about that fictional 100 combo limit for the 3 when we already know it's model S comparison (1500) is complete BS? It will be whatever it will be, and that will change over time just like it has with the S and X.
 

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Not necessarily?
5 (exterior colors) * 3 (wheels) * 2 (interior colors) * 3 (50 kWh, 75 kWh, 75 kWh+AWD) = 90

Of course, that ignores the possibility of there being a tech package for Model 3 (not sure if that counts as a separate variant branch, though).

Edit: Ah, missed the ”more than 5 basic colors”. My bad.
Yeah, the speculation now on this Forum is at least 7 colors: black and white = base colors, then red, blue, silver, midnight silver, & pearl white as upcharge colors. Some are now speculating three wheel choices - 18" aero rims, 18" v-spoke rims, & 19" turbine rims. From your packages you have to include a winter package, EAP tech package, two battery options, AWD option, performance option, etc. The list becomes formidable.

Why are we still concerned about that fictional 100 combo limit for the 3 when we already know it's model S comparison (1500) is complete BS?
I'm not concerned about it, you may be right and I hope you are right. The only reason it keeps coming up is because that is what EM said most recently and we trust that he means what he says. But who knows? We will in less than 2 weeks, maybe.
 

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What he said was only colors and wheels at launch. 7*3 = 21 < 100. It could be 23 colors and 4 wheels and still be true.

Fact is, the S has hundreds of thousands of combinations, which is many many times higher than the 1500 his sheet says, so clearly the math is loosely applied.
 

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Don’t think it makes sense to count literally every single combination of options into it, in context.
That context being - limiting the number and complexity of production lines.

I think it might only apply to options that cannot be easily retrofitted - so not wheels, nor premium audio. Tech pack, maybe.

As to why people obsess over it - they (we?) don’t, the idea is just that it can help in playing the color/wheel option guessing game. And before someone says ”just wait for the unveil” - that’s just no fun :)
 

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Hi Guys

I´m new here and i hope you can awnser me that question.
Do you think the Model S Turbine rims will fit on the 3? I think these are the most beautifull rims i´ve seen so far on a Tesla, so i hope they will fit! ;)
 

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Do you think the Model S Turbine rims will fit on the 3? I think these are the most beautifull rims i´ve seen so far on a Tesla, so i hope they will fit! ;)
Caveat: nobody really knows yet.

That said, I'm willing to bet the 3 will use the same bolt pattern and hub size as the S, so I think they'll bolt on. But the turbine is a 21" diameter wheel, and I think 20" is probably all the larger you're going to want to go on a 3.

Also, we don't know how the offset and width will compare to know whether there will be interference issues. I'm sure somebody will end up test-fitting it once 3's start to be delivered, just to see if it does fit.
 
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