I've got a poll up in another thread that asks what new feature/capability would make people want to upgrade to FSD...and it was mostly answered by people who already have FSD. I'd be curious for some of you who, like me, don't have FSD, to head over to that thread and chime in...
Tesla is raising the price of its 'full self-driving' package by $1,000
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It may not be twice as useful, but I'd bet it's 10x more difficult to safely stop/start at stop signs/lights. If a vehicle unexpectedly stopped at a green light or drove through a red one people's lives would be at risk. The amount of effort that needs to go into that compared to just maintaining a lane/speed is well beyond the small price increase. If you don't find value in it, don't buy it. Not rocket science (which I'd bet developing FSD is pretty close to 
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It's important that we all play by the rules otherwise regulators will find a way to "take away our toys" so to speak.
It's important that we all play by the rules otherwise regulators will find a way to "take away our toys" so to speak.
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Call me when it's actually
Full
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Self
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Driving
Meaning, as I voted on in the poll, full NOA with ZERO user intervention and 100% Tesla liability for accidents when the system is in operation.
Until then, I don't care what discussions are about the price. IMO just another way to scare people into buying it now and generate revenue.
I will say that it was slick taking auto lane change out of AP and putting it in FSD. That would get me to buy FSD today, if my car got totaled or I were to buy another Tesla. Very smart Elon.
Full
and
Self
and
Driving
Meaning, as I voted on in the poll, full NOA with ZERO user intervention and 100% Tesla liability for accidents when the system is in operation.
Until then, I don't care what discussions are about the price. IMO just another way to scare people into buying it now and generate revenue.
I will say that it was slick taking auto lane change out of AP and putting it in FSD. That would get me to buy FSD today, if my car got totaled or I were to buy another Tesla. Very smart Elon.
That's FSD, sure, but I don't think that's what "full NOA" would mean.
NOA stands for "navigate on autopilot." As Tesla described it when it was introduced, NOA is "an active guidance feature for Enhanced Autopilot that, with driver supervision, guides a car from a highway’s on-ramp to off-ramp, including suggesting and making lane changes, navigating highway interchanges, and taking exits. It’s designed to make finding and following the most efficient path to your destination even easier on the highway when Autopilot is in use." NOA may, in the future, be extended to more situations than just highways. "Full NOA" would presumably mean active guidance in all situations. But as long as it is called NOA it will presumably be about efficiency of navigation, not hands-free, attention-free autonomy (i.e. L3 or higher).
I know I'm quibbling about nomenclature, and it's largely my fault for introducing a term that hadn't been used before "door-to-door NOA" without carefully describing what I meant by that, but it's pretty clear to me what Tesla means by NOA, but that term doesn't mean true FSD (even though it's part of the FSD package) and, I think, never will mean that. When full FSD comes along, they'll call it full FSD or invent a new term.
NOA stands for "navigate on autopilot." As Tesla described it when it was introduced, NOA is "an active guidance feature for Enhanced Autopilot that, with driver supervision, guides a car from a highway’s on-ramp to off-ramp, including suggesting and making lane changes, navigating highway interchanges, and taking exits. It’s designed to make finding and following the most efficient path to your destination even easier on the highway when Autopilot is in use." NOA may, in the future, be extended to more situations than just highways. "Full NOA" would presumably mean active guidance in all situations. But as long as it is called NOA it will presumably be about efficiency of navigation, not hands-free, attention-free autonomy (i.e. L3 or higher).
I know I'm quibbling about nomenclature, and it's largely my fault for introducing a term that hadn't been used before "door-to-door NOA" without carefully describing what I meant by that, but it's pretty clear to me what Tesla means by NOA, but that term doesn't mean true FSD (even though it's part of the FSD package) and, I think, never will mean that. When full FSD comes along, they'll call it full FSD or invent a new term.
It may not be twice as useful, but I'd bet it's 10x more difficult to safely stop/start at stop signs/lights. If a vehicle unexpectedly stopped at a green light or drove through a red one people's lives would be at risk. The amount of effort that needs to go into that compared to just maintaining a lane/speed is well beyond the small price increase. If you don't find value in it, don't buy it. Not rocket science (which I'd bet developing FSD is pretty close to )
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Yeah, the people who payed for FSD when EAP was available have so far paid for nothing. But the people who pay for FSD on a new car now are getting the features that used to be EAP. So far, then, it's just a name change. Pretty soon Tesla needs to pull the trigger and provide features that go to FSD but not to EAP. Presumably enhanced summon will be the first of those.
EDIT: As pointed out below, Enhanced Summon is also supposed to be part of EAP. So the first FSD feature will be after that.
EDIT: As pointed out below, Enhanced Summon is also supposed to be part of EAP. So the first FSD feature will be after that.
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Enhanced Summon was advertised as being part of EAP from time that HW 2.0 was announced, so it will likely remain an EAP feature. (I believe we saw some official/Tweeted confirmation to this effect a few months ago, but I don't have it handy.)
The first FSD-exclusive features may be something like expanding upon the existing stoplight/stop-sign detection to enable some kind of basic, officially-sanctioned driver assistance on surface streets (similar to plain Autosteer on highways).
The first FSD-exclusive features may be something like expanding upon the existing stoplight/stop-sign detection to enable some kind of basic, officially-sanctioned driver assistance on surface streets (similar to plain Autosteer on highways).
Yeah, if it's going to stay that way ($3k), I'll wait. However, because that's a slight savings over what I'd expected to spend should I decide to add it after purchase (original statement was $4k after purchase and thought that was a locked price based on purchase date), if it's only temporary, I may just go ahead and pull the trigger in order to ensure I'm at least in line for the upgraded hardware. Would be nice if they'd let us "reserve" the FSD at a particular price; not that it helped with the car reservation (what's that special thing for line waiters, again?).