So many are trying to make the 3 a car that it isn't

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I'm seeing a lot of posts lately with people concerned about things like ride quality and utilitarian uses of the Model 3, and I'm wondering why this is so.
Tesla took it's electric double-barrel, aimed squarely at the BMW 3 series sedan and blew it away. Matching or exceeding its features with a strong emphasis on performance and driving dynamics.
The problem is it doesn’t exceed or even match many of the things BMW offer (let alone some things my Škoda had... WTF? :( ) , unless I have missed the updated spec (happy to be corrected) the Model 3 isn’t available with:

Heated windscreen washer jets
4 foldable grab handles - rear with clothes hook
High beam assistant
Adaptive headlights
Privacy glass
HUD
Electric tilt/slide glass sunroof??
Heated steering wheel
Rear sunblinds
Heated rear seats?? ;)
Tow hitch

Spare wheel

Now some of those things may seem trivial, but if you already have them you may not want to lose them, of course Tesla have surpassed the competition on certain things, FSD for example... well they will if it ever arrives. :p

To say:
  • If the Model 3 didn't exist and 2018 was the year you intended on buying a brand new compact luxury sedan, with vehicles like the BMW 340i, Audi A4 (Sport package), and Infiniti Q50 Sport on your short list, then Dilly Dilly! The Model 3 is right down your alley.
Makes you look very ‘fanboy’... it MUST be better because... well it’s a Tesla :rolleyes:
There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism, as that is what will make the car better, if nobody complained then Elon will sell you the lowest spec car he can get away with at the maximum price he thinks someone will pay for it, erm sorry, NO... in the real world most people will not pay a premium for something that isn’t as good.

I am currently in this situation, The Model 3 is a lower spec car for £12K+ MORE than what I currently drive, yes it may well be electric so it produces less emissions over the life of the car, but I refuse to switch from ICE at £ANY cost, it has to work financially as well for me.

Time will tell once I have driven one if it is for me, or if I have to wait for VAG etc to produce a car with a range over 200 miles and a spec that I am used to.
 

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The problem is it doesn’t exceed or even match many of the things BMW offer (let alone some things my Škoda had... WTF? :( ) , unless I have missed the updated spec (happy to be corrected) the Model 3 isn’t available with:

Heated windscreen washer jets
4 foldable grab handles - rear with clothes hook
High beam assistant
Adaptive headlights
Privacy glass
HUD
Electric tilt/slide glass sunroof??
Heated steering wheel
Rear sunblinds
Heated rear seats?? ;)
Tow hitch

Spare wheel

Now some of those things may seem trivial, but if you already have them you may not want to lose them, of course Tesla have surpassed the competition on certain things, FSD for example... well they will if it ever arrives. :p

To say:

Makes you look very ‘fanboy’... it MUST be better because... well it’s a Tesla :rolleyes:
There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism, as that is what will make the car better, if nobody complained then Elon will sell you the lowest spec car he can get away with at the maximum price he thinks someone will pay for it, erm sorry, NO... in the real world most people will not pay a premium for something that isn’t as good.

I am currently in this situation, The Model 3 is a lower spec car for £12K+ MORE than what I currently drive, yes it may well be electric so it produces less emissions over the life of the car, but I refuse to switch from ICE at £ANY cost, it has to work financially as well for me.

Time will tell once I have driven one if it is for me, or if I have to wait for VAG etc to produce a car with a range over 200 miles and a spec that I am used to.
Keep in mind...the BMW, Audi, Mercedes, etc. are all 50-60K because of their features and the badge on the hood. Sure, all nice cars but all have the one thing that the Model 3 does not. That would be a big gas burning internal combustion engine as well as the transmision, gas tank, and exhaust system to go along with it. The Model 3 is 50-60K because of its battery and motor technology. They have made great strides in battery technology but the fact is that right now batteries are still more expensive than ICE. Drop a typical gas burner into a Model 3 and it quickly becomes a 35-40K car. Maybe adds some perspective on perceived missing features.

Dan
 
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The problem is it doesn’t exceed or even match many of the things BMW offer (let alone some things my Škoda had... WTF? :( ) , unless I have missed the updated spec (happy to be corrected) the Model 3 isn’t available with:

Heated windscreen washer jets
4 foldable grab handles - rear with clothes hook
High beam assistant

Privacy glass
HUD
Spare wheel

Now some of those things may seem trivial, but if you already have them you may not want to lose them, of course Tesla have surpassed the competition on certain things, FSD for example... well they will if it ever arrives. :p
Let's see....
Grab handles? No Tesla has 'em.
Clothes hooks? The only Tesla that DOES have them is the Model 3.
High Beam assistant - I expect this will be a future software update, as the hardware for this is built into AP.
HUD? No Tesla has 'em.
Spare wheel? No Tesla has 'em.

My concern is people who don't do their homework and proffer incorrect information.
 

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I tend to wonder if Tesla adopted the wrong strategy of getting the Model3 to existing Tesla owners first. Maybe the better strategy would be after reservation deposit. What car do you own? Drop down box.

Give car first to Camry, Civic, Accord, BMW3, Passat drivers. The reviews I bet we would find would be much better than us pampered S&X owners.

I know that would delay a bunch of people including me. I think the strategy was that existing owners would be more tolerant of minor issues. Some people expect this car to be too much of the S. If I wanted another S. I would have bought one.
I came from a 2008 Camry hybrid to the 3, so feel free to check out my take in the Tesla Experiences forum. The 3 is more usable in basically every way than my Camry was: stowage, material transport (and I absolutely use my cars for 2x4s and construction materials, though sheetrock will always require a truck as I don't know of any car than can fit the full 4' width of sheetrock), comfort, etc. The suspension is definitely stiffer than the Camry, but I find the seat more comfortable which more than makes up for any discomfort the stiff suspension may cause and I love the handling that suspension provides. The ride also does not feel as stiff as my dad's '13 S with standard suspension.

While I know I'm in no way representative of an average consumer, I will take my 3 over my Camry in heart beat without a single pang of regret or a glance back.
 
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The car I've enjoyed the most was my 2002 Lexus ES300. It was supposed to last me until my Model-3 but I went and wrecked in. I'm in a burner until my Model 3 arrives (Dec-Feb window, no invite yet). I'm curious if people think I will like the Model-3 based on how much I liked the ES300.

Aside from the comparison I'm excited about an all electric car, I think many of the things Tesla is doing are incredible and I'm buying the car with profits from investing in TSLA right after the IPO. I'm pretty much a fan-boy at this point. I passed on the Model-X because I don't like the way it looks. I'd be interested in a higher SUV at some future point as I do also like to be up higher, but I have no commute and avoid traffic so it isn't that important to me.
 

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I tend to wonder if Tesla adopted the wrong strategy of getting the Model3 to existing Tesla owners first. Maybe the better strategy would be after reservation deposit. What car do you own? Drop down box.

Give car first to Camry, Civic, Accord, BMW3, Passat drivers. The reviews I bet we would find would be much better than us pampered S&X owners.

I know that would delay a bunch of people including me. I think the strategy was that existing owners would be more tolerant of minor issues. Some people expect this car to be too much of the S. If I wanted another S. I would have bought one.
Double-edged sword here. For some cars (Civic, Accord, Camry), yes the Model 3 would be a step up in many ways, but these same folks who buy reliable Japanese cars would probably not be as forgiving of the issues that would pop up and require fixes, especially on the early 3's.
 

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I've been waiting since the late 90s when the first RAV4s came out to get an EV. And this will be my first car purchase. So, you can imagine that I might be a little vocal with my opinions about the first car in a semi-reasonable price range that can get me to my farther away destinations in a normal amount of time. It is like a lifetime dream come true! … I think there is something in my eye...

I just really really hope that we can attach bike roof-racks to the top. That is all.
 

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or if I have to wait for VAG etc to produce a car with a range over 200 miles and a spec that I am used to.
Ha ha you must be a clarkson boy to come up with something like that. Honestly, after all the cheating, I wouldn't even consider going near them bunch. Thanks but no thanks, not even if they manage to come up with a decent ev in 2025!
 

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My personal feeling is that the Model 3 is pulling in people who would otherwise be in several other markets. I currently drive a Nissan Altima. If I were to get a new car, I would probably be looking at Nissan, Ford, Toyota or Subaru before I would be looking at BMW, Audi, etc. I want an electric car to reduce our dependence on oil in general and oil from unstable parts of the world in particular. Model 3 is the first electric car that I consider to be practical with a good range and a price that is (at the upper end of) my range. I'm just looking for a commuter car that I can take on occasional long trips and has the best gas mileage (not even applicable). Ability to haul stuff is a consideration as it is my only car, but I don't need a pickup or a hatchback.

Model 3 is good car for people in a variety of markets, not just the luxury sports sedan market.
I am in the same boat as you. I drive a 2008 Toyota Prius and wanted an EV this time around. If there were no EV options available, there is virtually no way I would spend this amount of money on any other car. From all reviews, it's a great car, but an even greater mission.
 

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I just really really hope that we can attach bike roof-racks to the top. That is all.
There are roof rack attachment points, they just haven't released the rack yet. I'd expect the rack to be available in the spring, though my delivery specialist wasn't sure what the schedule for it was.
 

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There are roof rack attachment points, they just haven't released the rack yet. I'd expect the rack to be available in the spring, though my delivery specialist wasn't sure what the schedule for it was.
I had seen the M3OC video with them pointing out the attachments. I'm just have worries that they are for something else entirely. I don't know what though. Are they confirmed bike rack attachment points?
 

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I had seen the M3OC video with them pointing out the attachments. I'm just have worries that they are for something else entirely. I don't know what though. Are they confirmed bike rack attachment points?
They delivery specialist specifically called them out and referred to them as roof rack attachment points and described how the rack actually interacted with them, so he seemed to know what he was talking about. The rack has been seen on one of the prototype cars, and the deliver specialist said it had been tested on that car for a considerable number of miles (he gave a number, but I don't remember what it was).
 

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I had seen the M3OC video with them pointing out the attachments. I'm just have worries that they are for something else entirely. I don't know what though. Are they confirmed bike rack attachment points?
They delivery specialist specifically called them out and referred to them as roof rack attachment points and described how the rack actually interacted with them, so he seemed to know what he was talking about. The rack has been seen on one of the prototype cars, and the deliver specialist said it had been tested on that car for a considerable number of miles (he gave a number, but I don't remember what it was).
The manual that was leaked awhile back (do we have access to a more recent one, by the way?) confirmed it - page 133.
 

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The manual that was leaked awhile back (do we have access to a more recent one, by the way?) confirmed it - page 133.
The current manual states:
Roof Racks Model 3 supports the use of Tesla-approved roof racks using a Tesla mounting accessory. To install roof racks, you must use this accessory and you must use only roof rack systems that have been approved by Tesla (see Parts and Accessories on page 127). Failure to do so can cause significant damage. Note: Mounting accessories and roof rack systems may not be available at time of vehicle purchase.
So yes, there will be a roof rack, but it is unclear when it will be available.
 

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After the Model 3, which is replacing my VW Golf dieselgate, I'm hoping for a minivan to carry all of my junk. Hope I don't have to buy the pickup truck to replace my Grand Caravan.
 

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Agreed.

Good number of reservation holders are first time EV buyer and 50K blind date comes with its own set of anxiety. I think after they shell out 50k and take delivery there isn't much could go wrong! Either it's going to blow away their expectations or will regret paying such a high price !! :):eek:
And they are 98% certain to show up on social media to tell everybody about it.