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One idea that came to me yesterday, that I think would be great, is if Tesla added this via software update to the auto assist features...

POTHOLE detection!

The radar is already being bounced under the car in front of you so why not bounce one toward the ground to detect a large pothole or crack in the road?

It could simply have a distinct sound to alert you but not actually swerve, just an assist to allow us to avoid it.

I hit a pothole yesterday and even though it was with a Honda with 138,000 miles on it I almost shed a tear.
If it was my Model 3 I would have felt like someone just punched me in the gut.

Any possibilities of Pothole Detection?

If anyone knows anyone at Tesla please pass this on :)
 

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Okay let's say you are cruising along at 50mph in multi-lane traffic and the car shouts pot hole pot hole what will your reaction be?

I get what you mean in principle but I guess unless it's actually a sinkhole not sure whether it could be considered significant enough to mix with the other duties that the system is responsible for.
 

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Okay let's say you are cruising along at 50mph in multi-lane traffic and the car shouts pot hole pot hole what will your reaction be?

I get what you mean in principle but I guess unless it's actually a sinkhole not sure whether it could be considered significant enough to mix with the other duties that the system is responsible for.
It could just eject you out of the car to avoid the pothole :)
No i get what you're saying, it would just have to be subtle enough to give a sound or alert as an option, which is sometimes just a slight steer to avoid it, or avoid most of it.
Maybe there's a below 50 zone for it or highway option, etc.
Or maybe it only alerts for deeper or more damaging holes, which even though it doesn't happen that often it's often enough (at least where I live, especially in winter).

If it was cheap to do or just a software feature added maybe it would be worth it?

Just a thought but glad to hear the responses or other ideas to add via software updates?
 

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This is something I was thinking about the other day. As Spring comes and along with Spring flowers, potholes bloom as well.
Having ruined my share of rims and tires, AP will have to eventually have to deal with this.
 

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My reaction? Nothing. The car should react!
Woah, even better! Come on Elon, you can't let Ford of all companies do this first ;)

The only difference is the software update would be something that can be done with little cost most likely and closer to rollout of M3?
But yeah, if we're gonna add hardware/equipment to the car definitely we should do what's in the video! That's easy peezy for Tesla :)
 
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It could just eject you out of the car to avoid the pothole :)
No i get what you're saying, it would just have to be subtle enough to give a sound or alert as an option, which is sometimes just a slight steer to avoid it, or avoid most of it.
Maybe there's a below 50 zone for it or highway option, etc.
Or maybe it only alerts for deeper or more damaging holes, which even though it doesn't happen that often it's often enough (at least where I live, especially in winter).

If it was cheap to do or just a software feature added maybe it would be worth it?

Just a thought but glad to hear the responses or other ideas to add via software updates?
One thought that came to mind was if the system can record coordinates and a clear photo of the pothole, and we can access the data from the Tesla app, it might make it easier to claim for damages.
 

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the problem is budget for that...
For hardware sure. If we aren't getting a HUD we aren't getting a pothole detection shock- jumping feature, however if it's software maybe we can use existing radars that are already in the M3 and even use the same radar that is already bouncing onto the ground to detect 2 cars ahead and just add to the programming "search for holes at x depth" etc. and then give an alert tone.

Not sure it that would work but if so, it's just a matter of the programmers taking the time along with other updates like 8.2 etc. so cost should be very minimal in theory.
 

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I had the same thought the other day. Pothole alerts and avoidance if possible... sort of like it doesn't pass unless it has a clear lane. It might not be able to totally avoid potholes but might slow down if given enough warning.
 

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I had the same thought the other day. Pothole alerts and avoidance if possible... sort of like it doesn't pass unless it has a clear lane. It might not be able to totally avoid potholes but might slow down if given enough warning.
With fleet learning, the car could record pothole locations, allowing all additional cars & trips along that road to move to the left or right side of the lane to avoid the hole.

Tesla could also report potholes to governments, to potentially get the bad ones fixed quickly.
 

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One idea that came to me yesterday, that I think would be great, is if Tesla added this via software update to the auto assist features...
POTHOLE detection!
Excellent idea Vin. As a corollary: in addition to potholes, detection of 'fallen items' would be useful. Once had some hydraulic suspension lines wiped out by a metal object that had fallen from a farm truck a few car lengths ahead of me. If programmed to measure size, AP2 could also have a response algorithm that responded appropriately. At one extreme, detecting a detached trailer or the like would trigger automatic braking (sure it does already). At the other, a small object might be ignored. But there is a decision continuum between those extremes and responses would need to vary accordingly.
Presumably catastrophic road failure (bridge failure, land-slide etc.) is already detected by AP2 and would trigger automatic braking.
It would be interesting to know how much of this stuff is already covered and how quickly AP2 will be expanded to cover the full spectrum of appropriate human responses.
 

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Something like ford's stsyem would also be great for the few manhole covers on a repaved road that sit 2" below the pavement, right in the tires path, that I dodge daily
 

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For hardware sure. If we aren't getting a HUD we aren't getting a pothole detection shock- jumping feature, however if it's software maybe we can use existing radars that are already in the M3 and even use the same radar that is already bouncing onto the ground to detect 2 cars ahead and just add to the programming "search for holes at x depth" etc. and then give an alert tone.

Not sure it that would work but if so, it's just a matter of the programmers taking the time along with other updates like 8.2 etc. so cost should be very minimal in theory.
Hardware and software too.
I need to stand for my profession.
'It's hard to make good software'
 

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Hardware and software too.
I need to stand for my profession.
'It's hard to make good software'
No doubt. Much respect to the software side of things. My Dad was a programmer (rest his soul) and smartest person I'd ever known so I'll always have a soft spot (no pun intended) for that profession.
I have faith in Tesla to create some good stuff in all aspects of creation in the near future.
 

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Hardware and software too.
I need to stand for my profession.
'It's hard to make good software'
If the AI approach works it should not require any special programing. After enough miles it should figure out what a pothole looks like on camera and radar and that people steer around them or the car jerks when it hits the pothole. If the car cannot figure that out in a few billion miles, then autonomous driving is not going to work on these cars.
 

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Okay let's say you are cruising along at 50mph in multi-lane traffic and the car shouts pot hole pot hole what will your reaction be?
I would hope the system does what I would do and adjust the car's position in the lane, change lanes or if that's not possible to slow down to minimize the impact on the tire.
 

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I wonder if active suspension could get the car to "jump" over small items in the road like a pipe or board that fell off a truck. :)
They were doing that 25 years ago.
This entire video is pretty fascinating - feel free to start it over from the beginning. But here's the jumping part: