Performance specs (theoretically) announced today; place your $ bets!

How much will the performance package cost, and what 0-60 time? (select two)

  • <$4k

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • $4-5k

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • $5-6k

    Votes: 3 3.7%
  • $6-8k

    Votes: 4 4.9%
  • $8-10k

    Votes: 11 13.4%
  • $10-12k

    Votes: 11 13.4%
  • $12-14k

    Votes: 4 4.9%
  • $14-16k

    Votes: 19 23.2%
  • >$16k

    Votes: 28 34.1%
  • >4,8s

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • 4,6-4,8s

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 4,4-4,6s

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 4,2-4,4s

    Votes: 3 3.7%
  • 4-4,2s

    Votes: 6 7.3%
  • 3,8-4s

    Votes: 9 11.0%
  • 3,6-3,8s

    Votes: 6 7.3%
  • 3,4-3,6s

    Votes: 23 28.0%
  • 3,2-3,4s

    Votes: 12 14.6%
  • 3-3,2s

    Votes: 14 17.1%
  • <3s

    Votes: 2 2.4%

  • Total voters
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#1
Given Musk's "end of next week" tweet last week, today is the day where we should theoretically get the pricing and specs for dual motor and performance. Let's do some polls!

(wish I could do more than one poll per thread!)
 
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Just so that I understand the poll --
Are you asking for the price delta of the Performance Package over the AWD model? Or are you asking for the price delta of adding the AWD and Performance to the LR currently being offered?
 

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Just so that I understand the poll --
Are you asking for the price delta of the Performance Package over the AWD model? Or are you asking for the price delta of adding the AWD and Performance to the LR currently being offered?
Start with the price of a base LR. Click the button to choose "performance ". How much more does it cost?
 

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My prediction from my past posts:

PD $18-20k 0-60 3.6s.
Includes larger, red calipers
Includes 20" sport wheels with high performance tires
Includes sport tuned suspension upgrades. (Remember standard suspension was softened after the release)
Unlocked option for flat black paint/wrap $3k
Possible unlocked interior upgrades like carbon fiber instead of light wood.

Can't make it too fast or it would make the S look bad. Even if hardware could go faster, Tesla would software limit the acceleration.
 

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Looking at the competition:
BMW M3: 0-60 - 4.0s @ ~$75,000 (all options)
Audi RS3: 0-60 – 3.5s @ ~70,000 (all options)
Mercedes AMG CLA: 0-60 – 3.8 @ ~70,000 (all options)

Currently the Tesla M3 is $56,500 with all options but FSD which leaves a $15,000 gap between it and the average cost in the segment. I’m guessing $4,000 for DM, which brings it to $60,500 and then $10,000 for Performance, putting it just over $70k. I think a 0-60 around 3.5-3.8 is about right.
 

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Looking at the competition:
BMW M3: 0-60 - 4.0s @ ~$75,000 (all options)
Audi RS3: 0-60 – 3.5s @ ~70,000 (all options)
Mercedes AMG CLA: 0-60 – 3.8 @ ~70,000 (all options)

Currently the Tesla M3 is $56,500 with all options but FSD which leaves a $15,000 gap between it and the average cost in the segment. I’m guessing $4,000 for DM, which brings it to $60,500 and then $10,000 for Performance, putting it just over $70k. I think a 0-60 around 3.5-3.8 is about right.
I think we're all going to be wrong. Looking at the Model S, the difference in price from 100D to P100D is $32,700. If we're looking at the jump from the LR RWD to the P LR with D, that would be an equivalent $39k upgrade from the 100 (which doesn't exist) to the P100D.

After consulting with my Magic8 ball, I'm revising my uninformed guess to:
upgrade from First Production to PD: $25k-$30k
Acceleration: improves from 5.1 to 3.0-3.5 (probably closer to 3.0). SP100D is 2.5sec.
 

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I should have put some higher price options in the poll, eh? ;)
Yeah, I'll be surprised if just the letter P is much under $20k, just because it's $35K on the S. As for 0-60, my mind keeps going to 3.3s, based on nothing, of course. Optimistic, I know, but if it's much slower than that, it'll be hard to justify the price.

IMHO it will depend whether they'll let it buck, or software limit it to keep it out of P100D territory. Theoretically, a battery with the same chemistry and 75% the capacity should be able to push 75% of the peak power. Model 3 LR weighs about 85% of the RWD Model S 75. So I'd expect under 3 is possible. Though it will likely be limited for marketing.
 
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Yeah, I'll be surprised if just the letter P is much under $20k, just because it's $35K on the S.
Yes, but the base price on the S is much higher. If we go with the old ~$6k pricing more for D than non-D (since non-D Ss are no longer sold), a Model S 100 would start at $88k. You kind of expect the premiums to be a lot more on a car that's that much more expensive.

Regardless, only a third of people think that P will cost more than $16k :)
 

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Yes, but the base price on the S is much higher. If we go with the old ~$6k pricing more for D than non-D (since non-D Ss are no longer sold), a Model S 100 would start at $88k. You kind of expect the premiums to be a lot more on a car that's that much more expensive.

Regardless, only a third of people think that P will cost more than $16k :)
But are they voting what they think it'll be, or what they hope it'll be? :)
 

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Too bad I'm working early tomorrow, otherwise I'd stay up. "tonight" in pacific time... I'd be better off just checking in the morning :(

So, looks like the spread is:

Dual: ~$4,5k, ~12 miles extra range
Performance: ~$15k (depends on how the "over $16k"s break down), 0-60 in 3,5s.

Let's see how Tesla did compared to our expectations :)
 

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Let's see:

A base Model S 75D does 0-60 in 4.2s
100D does 0-60 in 4.1s
P100D does 0-60 in 2.5s

A base Model 3 does 0-60 in 5.6s
"Long Range" Model 3 in 5.1s

My guess is:

Long Range AWD - 4.9s (+4k)
Long Range Performance AWD- 3.7s. +20k (includes 20'' wheels, carbon fiber spoiler, special badging) With "Ludicrous" Upgrade, 3.1s (includes performance shocks, capacitors, etc) (+10K)


So, my prediction:

AWD Model 3 LR with Premium + EHP + Paint ~60k
P- AWD Model 3 LR with Premium + EHP + Paint =80k
+ Ludicrous mode: 90k.

You want it to be a littttle faster than the 75D, but you don't want it blowing it out of the water at the base price.
 

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As interesting as it will be to see what performance/range numbers Tesla will *advertise* in (hopefully) a few hours, I am more interested in seeing what the *real-world* figures will be.

Much like what happened with First Production, there are plenty of reasons for Tesla to sandbag both range and acceleration against the Model S, yet at the same time, they will need to justify the additional premium over First Production. Maybe Elon's focus on the subjective "driving feel" of AWD/Performance in his tweet today (along with the Design Studio's similar emphasis on traction and safety) hints at the angle they will take for this upsell, rather than relying on numbers alone to make their case.