Performance is only a software update?

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There have been a few recent cases on the Model 3 Facebook group where someone who ordered and paid for a Perfomance car was delivered a base Dual Motor one instead. The only indications were the nerfed performance and the lack of a Red Line on the car status screen under Dual Motor. In one case, they pushed a software update to the car, and BAM, it now has the Red Line and proper acceleration! I think this shows clearly that the P is nothing more than a software upgrade over the D, and all the talk of “hand-selecting” the motors with “greater burn-in” and more thetans or whatever is really just a little marketing talk. The motors in both cars are the same, the software is what makes the difference. The good news is that I highly suspect all you Dual Motor owners will be offered at some point in the future to upgrade your car to a Performance for a small fee.
 

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Here’s what he reported:
“Just back from Atlanta (Roswell) after taking delivery of our Model 3 Performance. Mostly nice experience-not at all rushed - everyone very helpful. Very nice fit and finish; I didn’t really know what to expect after reading about earlier problems. Granted, I am probably not as picky as some. The only issue arose when I asked our delivery specialist (obviously somewhat inexperienced) to verify for me that the car was a “performance” model. She said she was told it was if it had “red at the wheels”. I told her that was wrong. She then went and got one of her colleges who said it was performance if the screen said “dual motor”. When I rejected that, he disappeared, the returned with a copy of the vehicle order showing that it included “performance”and said that was proof. When I still objected he told me that I would have to take his word for it because he had been doing this for a long time. Good grief! Fortunately, we had also discovered a problem with the rear view camera so a service technician and service manager soon arrived. Long story short, they took it to the shop, ran diagnostics and found the that performance features had indeed not been installed. While we went to lunch they contacted California and arranged for the proper configuration to be downloaded. Problem solved -it now has the red underline I was expecting. Thanks to this group-I would likely have missed altogether otherwise.”
 

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There have been a few recent cases on the Model 3 Facebook group where someone who ordered and paid for a Perfomance car was delivered a base Dual Motor one instead. The only indications were the nerfed performance and the lack of a Red Line on the car status screen under Dual Motor. In one case, they pushed a software update to the car, and BAM, it now has the Red Line and proper acceleration! I think this shows clearly that the P is nothing more than a software upgrade over the D, and all the talk of “hand-selecting” the motors with “greater burn-in” and more thetans or whatever is really just a little marketing talk. The motors in both cars are the same, the software is what makes the difference. The good news is that I highly suspect all you Dual Motor owners will be offered at some point in the future to upgrade your car to a Performance for a small fee.
OR, they were delivered a P hardware car, but the software was incorrectly showing the standard Dual config.
 

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...and all the talk of “hand-selecting” the motors with “greater burn-in” and more thetans or whatever is really just a little marketing talk....
Maybe. But...

It could just mean that this guy's Performance model ends up being slightly slower than the rest, if the motors have a slightly lower output. It would be interesting to see how he fairs in a drag race against another Performance.
 

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Elon never says the regular D cars don’t have the same inverters. I really see Tesla trying to make the differences in the cars as much about software as possible. They really don’t like making two parts when they can make one.
 

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So I'm assuming this car has aero wheels and doesn't have PUO, right? I mean the note about rejecting the lack of "red at the wheels" would suggest that. I sure hope this car doesn't have 19" sport wheels :)
 

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So you can tell by the logo on the screen if yours got the performance software?
 
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Based on what i read, performance is a software upgrade except "stronger or larger" brake-pads, lower suspension .5 inch, aluminum pedals, and carbon spoiler + 10mph speed limit increase and 1 sec difference 0-60. I think someday your can buy "Performance like upgrade" for a small fee. Question raises; Is this fare for other performance M3 owners who paid extra 10k?
 

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Based on what i read, performance is a software upgrade except "stronger or larger" brake-pads, lower suspension .5 inch, aluminum pedals, and carbon spoiler
Those only apply to the Performance Upgrade Option (PUO). The base Performance doesn't include those.
I think someday your can buy "Performance like upgrade" for a small fee. Question raises; Is this fare for other performance M3 owners who paid extra 10k?
When they charge you $11k for the after-sale upgrade, sure. :)
 

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Based on what i read, performance is a software upgrade except "stronger or larger" brake-pads, lower suspension .5 inch, aluminum pedals, and carbon spoiler + 10mph speed limit increase and 1 sec difference 0-60. I think someday your can buy "Performance like upgrade" for a small fee. Question raises; Is this fare for other performance M3 owners who paid extra 10k?
Tesla is never fair. It’s when they want extra revenue. They’ll do what they can to get ppl to give them more money.
 

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Tesla is never fair. It’s when they want extra revenue. They’ll do what they can to get ppl to give them more money.
I don't think there is anything unfair about it. Just because software can make something better doesn’t mean they don’t deserve to charge more for it. How much more is determined by what the market will bear.
 

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Tesla is never fair. It’s when they want extra revenue. They’ll do what they can to get ppl to give them more money.
How is that different than the cost of gasoline fluctuating on a daily basis? This is called the free market economy and the basis of the American economy.
It sounds to me like you two are actually in violent agreement. :)
 

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Tesla is never fair. It’s when they want extra revenue. They’ll do what they can to get ppl to give them more money.

I know, how dare they attempt to make a profit...lol

As if they don't constantly makes the cars better with extra features via software updates free of charge. You don't work for Exon do you?:tearsofjoy:
 

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Are there any documented cases of performance without perf upgrade doing a 0-60 at 3.5 seconds ?
I wonder if my perf with aero would be as slow as the awd model and when I take it to the service center they will claim that I would need the perf upgrade to be quicker.
 

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Are there any documented cases of performance without perf upgrade doing a 0-60 at 3.5 seconds ?
People have taken base Performance cars to drag strips, and they run in the 11s, same as the cars with PUO. Drag strips tend to be super-sticky, so having base tires is not much of a handicap.
Model 3 Long Range: 14.079@96.51 (not fully charged up) vs
Model 3 Performance: 11.795@113.55 (fully charged)


More videos here: https://teslaownersonline.com/threads/model-3-drag-races.6018/
 

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Imagine if you had every component sized and tested to have a 0.001% failure rate at some standard power output. Then a marketing person asked if you could increase power by 25%. Or a crazy f*** like Elon. Well, sure, you can just do a “throttle push”, as this would be called in the jet engine business. Component probability of failure increases, component life decreases, so warranty costs go up. You may not know exactly how much. There is a risk that customers will end up angry with you if you don’t bend over backwards to make them happy. Someone has to figure out how much to charge to cover these direct and indirect costs.

It might be like a I-don’t-want-to-sell-it price. I had a test ride today in a Performance - the G force almost made me faint! My cardiologist would not approve.
 

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I cannot find any information on this, so please point me in the right direction if it has been discussed before.

If you order a long range model 3 with dual motors, will you be able to upgrade to "performance" in the future if you desire?

My understanding is that it is only a software difference unless you opted for the "performance package" upgrade as well.
 

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I cannot find any information on this, so please point me in the right direction if it has been discussed before.

If you order a long range model 3 with dual motors, will you be able to upgrade to "performance" in the future if you desire?

My understanding is that it is only a software difference unless you opted for the "performance package" upgrade as well.
The performance version has a larger rear motor, or one capable of a higher power output.