Model S/X CHAdeMO Adapter & Model 3 -- does it work?

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Reached out to Tesla support on twitter about the CHAdeMO adapter support for the Model 3 and got a generic response:
Hello,

Thank you for reaching out. Although CHAdeMO charging isn't currently supported on Model 3, we do plan to enable that functionality in the future. Unfortunately, I don't have any dates for this roll out.

I hope you are otherwise enjoying your new Model 3. Thanks for being part of Teslas movement to sustainable transportation!

-Tesla Support
At least its confirmed they are planning to add support. Hope it is soon, we have a CHAdeMO charger at work that I'm dying to take advantage of.
 

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I picked up my Model 3 on 7/29. Chademo does not work.
Is there a fast charging option for Model 3s on the road? If I plan a road trip of 1500 miles - how many times am I going to need to stop and charge and for how long? I will wind up spending most of my "visit time" with my daughter at chargers to get there and back. I didn't expect the charging to take as long as it does - makes it a local car only and not so great for road trips.
 

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I picked up my Model 3 on 7/29. Chademo does not work.
Is there a fast charging option for Model 3s on the road? If I plan a road trip of 1500 miles - how many times am I going to need to stop and charge and for how long? I will wind up spending most of my "visit time" with my daughter at chargers to get there and back. I didn't expect the charging to take as long as it does - makes it a local car only and not so great for road trips.
The car should tell you where there are superchargers along your route, and how long etc you need to charge at those spots to keep going.
Also you can use supercharge.info to find out where they are building more. Or you can use abetterrouteplanner to play around with your trip from your computer.

The supercharger network is pretty amazing the handful of times I've used it so far. Now when they add CHADeMO support you'll have even more options.
 

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I am not trolling. I reserved my 3 in April 2016, and got to configure it in April 2018 with delivery committed in 3-6 weeks (by 6/20) but 9 days later got an oops email that they were just kidding about 3-6 weeks and it would instead be delivered in July - no date given. I finally picked it up 7/29. I was unable to reach Tesla via FB, the web form, the phone or through their stores. So am I a bit cynical - you bet. Am I disappointed at charger time and availability - a bit but trying to leverage this forum that I just stumbled upon via google search for chademo for model 3. I drive 101 from the Peninsula to Santa Barbara. While they have expanded the network a lot, there are still very few options along 101 south of Gilroy until you hit Santa Barbara.

So Derek - thank you for being nice and for providing additional resources. I did not know of them before your post.
 

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Not a problem. There is so much info out there and if you don't spend most of your spare time following it you'll never know all the cool things out there.

I also have found plug share helpful. I actually found a 72 amp Tesla charger down the street from me that is free!

Glad I could help!
 

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I picked up my Model 3 on 7/29. Chademo does not work.
Is there a fast charging option for Model 3s on the road? If I plan a road trip of 1500 miles - how many times am I going to need to stop and charge and for how long? I will wind up spending most of my "visit time" with my daughter at chargers to get there and back. I didn't expect the charging to take as long as it does - makes it a local car only and not so great for road trips.
It's just hard for people here to understand how you bought the car without knowing one of the main reasons people choose Teslas over other brands (the Supercharger network!) ;) Yet had somehow heard of CHAdeMO? It's just odd, that's all. But, things happen!

Charge rates:

40A 240V AC charger: around 0.75 miles range per minute charging
"50kW" CHAdeMO, when an adapter comes out: should be around ~3 miles range per minute.
Supercharger V2 (the current model, max ~117kW per stall): ~8 miles range per minute charging when below a ~45% state of charge (SoC), give or take. Rate decreases linearly after that.
Supercharger V3 (comes out later this year - speculation is 150-180kW per stall, and it's stated that Model 3 will be able to take full advantage of it): Expect 10-12 miles range per minute charging, although only up to maybe 20-25% SoC, and then linearly decreasing after that, effectively becoming the same as V2 around a ~45% state of charge.

To give you a comparison, the fastest the 2018 Nissan Leaf can use is CHAdeMO:

"50kW" CHAdeMO, before #Rapidgate kicks in: under 3 miles range per minute charging
"50kW" CHAdeMO, after #Rapidgate kicks in: 1.5-2 miles range per minute charging

It's more than a wee bit of difference ;)

I'm curious... care to explain for us how you knew about CHAdeMO yet didn't know about Superchargers? Because I think we're all a bit confused about that :)
 

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I am not trolling. I reserved my 3 in April 2016, and got to configure it in April 2018 with delivery committed in 3-6 weeks (by 6/20) but 9 days later got an oops email that they were just kidding about 3-6 weeks and it would instead be delivered in July - no date given. I finally picked it up 7/29. I was unable to reach Tesla via FB, the web form, the phone or through their stores. So am I a bit cynical - you bet. Am I disappointed at charger time and availability - a bit but trying to leverage this forum that I just stumbled upon via google search for chademo for model 3. I drive 101 from the Peninsula to Santa Barbara. While they have expanded the network a lot, there are still very few options along 101 south of Gilroy until you hit Santa Barbara.

So Derek - thank you for being nice and for providing additional resources. I did not know of them before your post.
BTW, I forgot to mention about the Supercharger network: unlike CHAdeMO, which is discordant networks and generally only a small number (or single) charger per site, Superchargers are all on the same network - all autopay. And there's always many stalls at every site, backed by multiple chargers, so you never have to worry about one being down - and in all but the busiest areas, you never have to worry about the site being "occupied". Unlike many CHAdeMO charger owners / operators, Tesla is also very good at maintenance. It's amazing how fast they usually get downed charging stations back up, even after major hurricanes and the like.

Regardless - when you say "The Peninsula" I assume you mean Baja - while there's neither CHAdeMO nor Superchargers on the Mexican side, on the US side there's 18 stations with 260 charging stalls between the border and Santa Barbara (not counting the possibility of taking I-15, which would add even more) - on average, one station every 13 miles. The longest gap without one (which is currently being closed by one under construction and another in permitting) is 47 miles.
 
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Regardless - when you say "The Peninsula" I assume you mean Baja - while there's neither CHAdeMO nor Superchargers on the Mexican side, on the US side there's 18 stations with 260 charging stalls between the border and Santa Barbara (not counting the possibility of taking I-15, which would add even more) - on average, one station every 13 miles. The longest gap without one (which is currently being closed by one under construction and another in permitting) is 47 miles.
In NorCal speak, ‘peninsula’ would be the SF side of the Bay Area
 

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While Chademo chargers pale in comparison to Superchargers in number of stalls and locations, I can certainly agree it's time for Tesla to support the Model 3. All Massachusetts rest areas have or are getting Chademo and I see them in most malls as well. I hate telling people Teslas can charge on any electrical connection or charger with one big exception.
 

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I'm looking much more forward to CCS support, since CHAdeMO seems to be on its way out. Also, at least in Europe, CCS support is much easier to add, since we already use a Type 2 connector - just need to update the protocol, add the combo pins, and something to deenergize the combo pins if hooked up to a Tesla supercharger.

It's more of a challenge in the US, of course.
 
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Picked up my Model 3 yesterday, and this may make me get the wall connector faster. I looked this up before and knew it wasn't available so I'm not overly disappointed, but I am very much anticipating the update if it happens before I buy a connector.

I want the adapter since there are 2 free L3 only 5 minutes from my house, with many shops and restaurants nearby. We used to go there with our Leafs.

Supercharging isn't much more than cost at home, but free is better. Also, I wouldn't want to occupy supercharger stalls for local driving, but maybe I shouldn't worry about that? I feel like that's what the L3 chargers around here are for, since they're located far closer to shops. The adapter would pay for itself pretty quickly.

As it is, I'm hoping to leave it connected but not charging (per the "always leave your Tesla connected guideline") at home, and give it to my wife to charge free at work every 4-5 days. Then without the adapter, we'll see if we need the wall connector. We've had Leafs for 6 years and only ever used 120V.
 

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Picked up my Model 3 yesterday, and this may make me get the wall connector faster. I looked this up before and knew it wasn't available so I'm not overly disappointed, but I am very much anticipating the update if it happens before I buy a connector.

I want the adapter since there are 2 free L3 only 5 minutes from my house, with many shops and restaurants nearby. We used to go there with our Leafs.

Supercharging isn't much more than cost at home, but free is better. Also, I wouldn't want to occupy supercharger stalls for local driving, but maybe I shouldn't worry about that? I feel like that's what the L3 chargers around here are for, since they're located far closer to shops. The adapter would pay for itself pretty quickly.

As it is, I'm hoping to leave it connected but not charging (per the "always leave your Tesla connected guideline") at home, and give it to my wife to charge free at work every 4-5 days. Then without the adapter, we'll see if we need the wall connector. We've had Leafs for 6 years and only ever used 120V.
The nice thing about the charger that comes with the Model 3 is that it can plug into anything. If you get the right adapter it will plug into your dryer or cooker socket.
Much better than the 110v only thing that comes with the Leaf.
 
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While Chademo chargers pale in comparison to Superchargers in number of stalls and locations, I can certainly agree it's time for Tesla to support the Model 3. All Massachusetts rest areas have or are getting Chademo and I see them in most malls as well. I hate telling people Teslas can charge on any electrical connection or charger with one big exception.
This is what has me kinda wanting a Chademo adapter. I dont NEED one when I drive to NH, but the current supercharger locations arent great if you are heading to Nashua. Stopping on the Mass Pike for 10 minutes for a drink and a bathroom break would be a nice little boost to your charge for when you get to your destination.
 

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I am not trolling. I reserved my 3 in April 2016, and got to configure it in April 2018 with delivery committed in 3-6 weeks (by 6/20) but 9 days later got an oops email that they were just kidding about 3-6 weeks and it would instead be delivered in July - no date given. I finally picked it up 7/29. I was unable to reach Tesla via FB, the web form, the phone or through their stores. So am I a bit cynical - you bet. Am I disappointed at charger time and availability - a bit but trying to leverage this forum that I just stumbled upon via google search for chademo for model 3. I drive 101 from the Peninsula to Santa Barbara. While they have expanded the network a lot, there are still very few options along 101 south of Gilroy until you hit Santa Barbara.

So Derek - thank you for being nice and for providing additional resources. I did not know of them before your post.
I checked out your route: San Jose to LA, via 101. There isn't a SuperCharger ever 10 miles or so, but, there are sufficient SuperChargers along the route that the journey would be easy to do in a Long Range Model 3.
 

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Speaking of Supercharging, i got to try it in my M3 today for the first time and noticed that i got about 70KW on the supercharger, whereas i was getting 100KW on the loaner Model X P90D that i was driving earlier in the day.

Is the M3 limited to 70KW on supercharge? (it seemed to fluctuate between 70/71KW at max). I was at a supercharger with all stalls occupied though, maybe it was current limiting?