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What do you guys think about maintenance and how this applies to the Model 3?


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I haven't seen anyone discuss in great detail their thoughts on teslas maintenance plans. After reading through the plans and Tesla's "recommendations" (which really feel mandatory), some of it seems superfluous and costly. While I'm sure the cost of maintenance plans for the model 3 will be lower, I can't imagine the recommendations would be much different. 4F11BF83-F031-4F76-B60F-1DF8358A1D2A-5949-00000910D0D10CCF.png
Do I really need a key fob battery replaced every year? I haven't replaced the key fob battery in any my leases (3 years each) that I've ever had. Can't i replace my battery fluid and air filter every two years myself? I'm sure I could replace my windshield wipers on my own! What exactly is a A/C desiccant bag? Can't i have an independent tire shop rotate and align the tires/wheels? I'm looking to minimize cost where I can, simply because it would be an even more valuable car for me.

What do you guys think about maintenance and how this applies to the Model 3?
 

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I haven't seen anyone discuss in great detail their thoughts on teslas maintenance plans. After reading through the plans and Tesla's "recommendations" (which really feel mandatory), some of it seems superfluous and costly. While I'm sure the cost of maintenance plans for the model 3 will be lower, I can't imagine the recommendations would be much different. View attachment 1744
Do I really need a key fob battery replaced every year? I haven't replaced the key fob battery in any my leases (3 years each) that I've ever had. Can't i replace my battery fluid and air filter every two years myself? I'm sure I could replace my windshield wipers on my own! What exactly is a A/C desiccant bag? Can't i have an independent tire shop rotate and align the tires/wheels? I'm looking to minimize cost where I can, simply because it would be an even more valuable car for me.

What do you guys think about maintenance and how this applies to the Model 3?
I haven't given it too much thought beyond a small chuckle when people say EV's cost less to maintain (no oil changes) and then you see Tesla's recommend maintenance and it's very expensive.

My initial thought is that it will most assuredly be cheaper on the cheaper and "more simple" car.

I drive 20,000 miles a year, so I guess we'll see...
 

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I think I'd pass although the individual cost of fluid changes might alter my mind...I agree some of these service items seem. Really weird...jmo
 

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I haven't given it too much thought beyond a small chuckle when people say EV's cost less to maintain (no oil changes) and then you see Tesla's recommend maintenance and it's very expensive.

My initial thought is that it will most assuredly be cheaper on the cheaper and "more simple" car.

I drive 20,000 miles a year, so I guess we'll see...
My exact thoughts when I read Tesla's "recommendations"! I couldn't believe the costs. One of the main selling points to my wife is that there is no gas and less maintenance and thus less costs .
 

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I haven't given it too much thought beyond a small chuckle when people say EV's cost less to maintain (no oil changes) and then you see Tesla's recommend maintenance and it's very expensive.
It sure is. I'm hoping that whatever plan they offer for the 3 is a lot more reasonable.

I decided to go through my records and figure out what all I've spent on my Leaf. The dealership I bought it from gives free lifetime state inspections. EDIT - I've highlighted the "normal" maintenance, which excludes my accident &

$500.00 04/2012 Insurance deductible (hit & run on my brand new car!)
$168.78 03/2013 Replace stripped lug stud & nut (stupid mistake on my part)
$110.00 07/2014 Purchased 17" wheels from an Infiniti G35 (craigslist)
$50.00 08/2014 Front summer tires (craigslist)
$171.94 08/2014 New rear summer tires
$78.63 08/2014 Mount & Balance 4 summer tires
$20.27 03/2015 Battery Inspection
$376.00 10/2015 Four new Yokohama winter tires
$143.58 10/2015 Two new front summer tires
$69.95 11/2015 Mount & Balance 4 winter tires (on OEM 16" rims)
$45.05 12/2015 Mount & Balance 2 new front tires
$533.12 03/2016 Battery Inspection, replace left front lower control arm to pass inspection (ouch)
$27.14 03/2017 Battery Inspection

Total: $2294.46 for 5 years, 2 months of ownership (~$460/yr).
 
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It sure is. I'm hoping that whatever plan they offer for the 3 is a lot more reasonable.

I decided to go through my records and figure out what all I've spent on my Leaf. The dealership I bought it from gives free lifetime state inspections.

$500.00 04/2012 Insurance deductible (hit & run on my brand new car!)
$168.78 03/2013 Replace stripped lug stud & nut (stupid mistake on my part)
$110.00 07/2014 17" wheels from an Infiniti G35 (craigslist)
$50.00 08/2014 Front summer tires (craigslist)
$171.94 08/2014 New rear summer tires
$78.63 08/2014 Mount & Balance 4 summer tires
$20.27 03/2015 Battery Inspection
$376.00 10/2015 Four new Yokohama winter tires
$143.58 10/2015 Two new front summer tires
$69.95 11/2015 Mount & Balance 4 winter tires (on OEM 16" rims)
$45.05 12/2015 Mount & Balance 2 new front tires
$533.12 03/2016 Battery Inspection, replace left front lower control arm to pass inspection (ouch)
$27.14 03/2017 Battery Inspection

Total: $2294.46 for 5 years, 2 months of ownership (~$460/yr).
I won't be adding any new tires unless needed, so that goes down further for me. What about fluids, air filters and tire rotations?
 

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It sure is. I'm hoping that whatever plan they offer for the 3 is a lot more reasonable.

I decided to go through my records and figure out what all I've spent on my Leaf. The dealership I bought it from gives free lifetime state inspections.

$500.00 04/2012 Insurance deductible (hit & run on my brand new car!)
$168.78 03/2013 Replace stripped lug stud & nut (stupid mistake on my part)
$110.00 07/2014 17" wheels from an Infiniti G35 (craigslist)
$50.00 08/2014 Front summer tires (craigslist)
$171.94 08/2014 New rear summer tires
$78.63 08/2014 Mount & Balance 4 summer tires
$20.27 03/2015 Battery Inspection
$376.00 10/2015 Four new Yokohama winter tires
$143.58 10/2015 Two new front summer tires
$69.95 11/2015 Mount & Balance 4 winter tires (on OEM 16" rims)
$45.05 12/2015 Mount & Balance 2 new front tires
$533.12 03/2016 Battery Inspection, replace left front lower control arm to pass inspection (ouch)
$27.14 03/2017 Battery Inspection

Total: $2294.46 for 5 years, 2 months of ownership (~$460/yr).
By your numbers I would remove the first 3 for $778.78 as those weren't really "service items". Well #2 maybe, but you said it was a mistake on your part.

To that end, service that you couldn't control cost you $293.36/year.

Not bad!
 

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It sure is. I'm hoping that whatever plan they offer for the 3 is a lot more reasonable.

I decided to go through my records and figure out what all I've spent on my Leaf. The dealership I bought it from gives free lifetime state inspections.

$500.00 04/2012 Insurance deductible (hit & run on my brand new car!)
$168.78 03/2013 Replace stripped lug stud & nut (stupid mistake on my part)
$110.00 07/2014 17" wheels from an Infiniti G35 (craigslist)
$50.00 08/2014 Front summer tires (craigslist)
$171.94 08/2014 New rear summer tires
$78.63 08/2014 Mount & Balance 4 summer tires
$20.27 03/2015 Battery Inspection
$376.00 10/2015 Four new Yokohama winter tires
$143.58 10/2015 Two new front summer tires
$69.95 11/2015 Mount & Balance 4 winter tires (on OEM 16" rims)
$45.05 12/2015 Mount & Balance 2 new front tires
$533.12 03/2016 Battery Inspection, replace left front lower control arm to pass inspection (ouch)
$27.14 03/2017 Battery Inspection

Total: $2294.46 for 5 years, 2 months of ownership (~$460/yr).
Of your list the Tesla plan would only cover the Battery Inspections?
$20.27 03/2015 + $27.14+/- 03/2016 + $27.14 03/2017
 

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If you read some of the MS/X forums about the service plan, opinions are all over the board. Many MS/X owners have had their cars well over 5 years. Those owners who have had few repairs say the plan isn't worth it. Other owners who needed major repairs say the plan paid for itself in the first year!

It's insurance! If you can afford and willing to fund major repairs out of your own pocket if needed then I wouldn't buy the plan. If you are on a tight budget and want to sleep well at night, then yes, buy it. I expect that independent shops will sprout up like daisys to handle once a year general maintenance for much less than a visit to a Tesla Service Center. I haven't made up my mind yet until I see the actual service plan for the model 3, but I am leaning toward purchasing the plan because it is a new car with potential for more than average issues and I would rather spend a chunk of money on a future cruise than on car repairs.
 

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If you read some of the MS/X forums about the service plan, opinions are all over the board. Many MS/X owners have had their cars well over 5 years. Those owners who have had few repairs say the plan isn't worth it. Other owners who needed major repairs say the plan paid for itself in the first year!

It's insurance! If you can afford and willing to fund major repairs out of your own pocket if needed then I wouldn't buy the plan. If you are on a tight budget and want to sleep well at night, then yes, buy it. I expect that independent shops will sprout up like daisys to handle once a year general maintenance for much less than a visit to a Tesla Service Center. I haven't made up my mind yet until I see the actual service plan for the model 3, but I am leaning toward purchasing the plan because it is a new car with potential for more than average issues and I would rather spend a chunk of money on a future cruise than on car repairs.
I haven't decided yet until I see the actual service plan for the model 3.

I haven't decided yet until I see the actual service plan for the model 3.
Wouldn't "major repairs" be covered by the warranty? The maintenance plan seems to be specific to routine items. Brakes, wipers, alignment, etc., I'm hoping, will be easily done independent shops. The battery coolant replacement, maybe not.
 

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If you read some of the MS/X forums about the service plan, opinions are all over the board. Many MS/X owners have had their cars well over 5 years. Those owners who have had few repairs say the plan isn't worth it. Other owners who needed major repairs say the plan paid for itself in the first year!

It's insurance! If you can afford and willing to fund major repairs out of your own pocket if needed then I wouldn't buy the plan. If you are on a tight budget and want to sleep well at night, then yes, buy it. I expect that independent shops will sprout up like daisys to handle once a year general maintenance for much less than a visit to a Tesla Service Center. I haven't made up my mind yet until I see the actual service plan for the model 3, but I am leaning toward purchasing the plan because it is a new car with potential for more than average issues and I would rather spend a chunk of money on a future cruise than on car repairs.
I guess I'll be the third to reply with the same thing.

This isn't insurance, this is a preventative maintenance plan. The discount is the result of prepaying for the service plan rather than paying at each service.

Major issues/repairs are covered under the warranty and completely unrelated.
 

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This isn't insurance, this is a preventative maintenance plan. The discount is the result of prepaying for the service plan rather than paying at each service.
Wouldn't those be covered under warranty?
Wouldn't "major repairs" be covered by the warranty?
Here is a sampling of posts from another forum.

So my model S is nearing its 4 year birthday and I'm trying to decide whether or not I should renew my maintenance plan with the 4 year extension.

I was wondering if people who have opted not to purchase the plans have generally found the maintenance on their cars to be pretty low, or if they wish they had purchased the extension.

Normally this would be kind of a no-brainer (just buy it), but iirc one of the main draws of the Tesla model was that they were charging a lot to make it so that they didn't have to make money off the maintenance of the car (unlike traditional car companies). Indeed, over the last 4 years, I've had a few issues which were not covered under the warranty, but were then marked as "good will" on the invoice, and I believe I haven't been charged for anything at all except for a new nosecone to replace the one that I stupidly broke. So I guess I'm wondering if Tesla service will continue to be as generous after my service plan runs out.
If you want to pay for a Maintenance Plan, you must pay up within the first 12 months or 12,500 miles (whichever occurs first).

That sounds like you are not talking about it since you are on 4th year.

I think you are talking about Extended Service Agreement (layman term "extended warranty").

Like an insurance, it is a bet.

If you are sure your house don't burn down, flooded, got robbed... then why pay for an insurance to cover for events that you know will never happen?

Looks like you didn't have to pay for Tesla repair but if you do, it can be very expensive: a 17" display with bubbles will set you back a few thousands of dollars. If you need to fix your air conditioner, it will also cost you a few thousand dollars!
I didn't get the extended maintenance due to the high cost and $100 copay per repair on top of that so at least $4,500 no matter what happens over the next several years. So I opted to gamble on just paying cash. I'm at 55,000 miles now and just had to shell out about $950 for a leaky seal causing headliner staining on one of the rear doors.

Only time will tell but I think you can argue both ways honestly. I'm just hoping I don't end up paying > $4,500 in repairs over the next 3 years.
I just used my ESA for a door handle, a roof leak, and a leak into the rear hatch.

They recorded it as goodwill, so didn't charge me the $200 copay, but I expect that if I didn't have the coverage this would have set me back 1/2 or more of the 4 year price.

I think it was insurance well spent.
You should only insure against losses you can't afford to cover yourself. No Tesla owner cannot afford these repairs, therefore you are gambling. You bet that your car will require more repairs than the cost of the coverage, they bet that it won't. Who do you think is better at calculating these odds?
 
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I believe you're mixing "Maintenance Plan" and "Extended Service Agreement".

The extended service agreement is what kicks in after the warranty is gone.

Extended Service Agreement: https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty

Maintenance Plan: https://www.tesla.com/support/maintenance-plans
Yes, that is correct, BUT, BUT, BUT as I read the ESA and from what I read by MS owners, in order to qualify for the ESA, you must purchase the Maintenance Plan within the first year (within 12,500 miles), which if you stop to think about it is only logical. Why would Tesla want to warranty previous DIY work or work by a third party after your basic warranty has expired?
 

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Yes, that is correct, BUT, BUT, BUT as I read the ESA and from what I read by MS owners, in order to qualify for the ESA, you must purchase the Maintenance Plan within the first year (within 12,500 miles), which if you stop to think about it is only logical. Why would Tesla want to warranty previous DIY work or work by a third party after your basic warranty has expired?
Yes that's where it gets a bit hairy. Hard to provide an extended warranty with a confirmation that service (and inspections were kept up). In the end you will spend a small fortune servicing and repairing this car that supposedly doesn't need all of that.
 

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Yes that's where it gets a bit hairy. Hard to provide an extended warranty with a confirmation that service (and inspections were kept up). In the end you will spend a small fortune servicing and repairing this car that supposedly doesn't need all of that.
Thank you, my point is that the maintenance plan is an insurance plan to insure that you will qualify for the ESA if you chose. I know it is expensive but it could be even more expensive if you have to pay for significant repairs once your basic warranty expires. It's a roll of the dice. Yes, you can do all of that basic maintenance work yourself for next to nothing--------but do you feel lucky?
 

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Yes, that is correct, BUT, BUT, BUT as I read the ESA and from what I read by MS owners, in order to qualify for the ESA, you must purchase the Maintenance Plan within the first year (within 12,500 miles), which if you stop to think about it is only logical. Why would Tesla want to warranty previous DIY work or work by a third party after your basic warranty has expired?
I understand what you are saying, but my focus is on the maintenance plan itself and whether it is a necessity or are we able to do some or all ourselves. Specifically the cost is my issue. I understand I require tire rotation and various others items, however i am sure some is not needed. Or at least as often as they suggest.
 

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I understand what you are saying, but my focus is on the maintenance plan itself and whether it is a necessity or are we able to do some or all ourselves. Specifically the cost is my issue. I understand I require tire rotation and various others items, however i am sure some is not needed. Or at least as often as they suggest.
I am confused. Why would you purchase a Maintenance Plan and then do the work yourself? The key point is, you have to purchase the Maintenance Plan if you want to qualify for the ESA at the end of your basic warranty. If you want to personally assume the cost of potential significant repairs after expiration of your warranty then by all means don't purchase the Maintenance Plan. No, the Maintenance Plan does not make financial sense on a cost basis for listed maintenance. However, it does make financial sense if you want to guarantee that you will have the option to purchase the ESA in the future.