ICE or EV with a hurricane bearing down?

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So my wife brought up a good question today (we live in FL). If everyone evacuates at once because of a hurricane and the minimal roads out of Florida turn into a parking lot, is there a benefit to be stuck in an EV vs. ICE? My understanding is that if you are at a standstill and can't move, you would be far better served in an EV (depending on remaining battery) vs an ICE because you could essentially stop if traffic does and maintain cabin comfort far longer than you could running gas in an ICE to keep AC etc running. Is this a fair assumption on my part? Everything I've read says that if you are not moving and only need HVAC for the cabin, very minimal battery is required for this....?
 

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So my wife brought up a good question today (we live in FL). If everyone evacuates at once because of a hurricane and the minimal roads out of Florida turn into a parking lot, is there a benefit to be stuck in an EV vs. ICE? My understanding is that if you are at a standstill and can't move, you would be far better served in an EV (depending on remaining battery) vs an ICE because you could essentially stop if traffic does and maintain cabin comfort far longer than you could running gas in an ICE to keep AC etc running. Is this a fair assumption on my part? Everything I've read says that if you are not moving and only need HVAC for the cabin, very minimal battery is required for this....?
Well I'm further south and east of you, so my vote is EV. The reason being... there is no more gas. If I need to evacuate I can't make it out of the state without gas :(
 

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yeah that's kind of my point...can't get gas and if you are stuck in a parking lot on the interstate, you can't get elec either so which would you rather be in given that scenario? I'm thinking EV because you would be able to maintain cabin comfort for a longer period of time vs trying to idle your ICE for AC etc where EV would utilize far less battery.
 
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If I was evacuating, AC would be the least of my worries. I’d just roll down the windows and sweat if I was in either car to save on fuel or electricity.

I’m an EV enthusiast, but I’d have to vote for the ICE vehicle because if I had to fuel up along the way, gasoline may still be more prevalent and faster than a charging station.
 

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If I was evacuating, AC would be the least of my worries. I’d just roll down the windows and sweat if I was in either car to save on fuel or electricity.

I’m an EV enthusiast, but I’d have to vote for the ICE vehicle because if I had to fuel up along the way, gasoline may still be more prevalent and faster than a charging station.
Yeah that's a tough call...looking at the florida peninsula (where I am), egress roads are limited and if you take for example the current Hurricane threat (Irma), gas stations are all out of fuel, but the storm has not yet hit so supercharging or any other type of EV charging remains available to assist getting you out of harms way. A tough call to be sure, but from where I'm sitting with the storm not yet impacting the area (except for gas stations being out of fuel), I tend to lean EV. And believe me...if you have the capability to pipe AC into your car down here if your stuck in a parking lot on the highway for hours on end...if you can do so with minimal impact to range...EV all the way.
 

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Yeah that's a tough call...looking at the florida peninsula (where I am), egress roads are limited and if you take for example the current Hurricane threat (Irma), gas stations are all out of fuel, but the storm has not yet hit so supercharging or any other type of EV charging remains available to assist getting you out of harms way. A tough call to be sure, but from where I'm sitting with the storm not yet impacting the area (except for gas stations being out of fuel), I tend to lean EV. And believe me...if you have the capability to pipe AC into your car down here if your stuck in a parking lot on the highway for hours on end...if you can do so with minimal impact to range...EV all the way.
Definitely EV and definitely huge win for Tesla and the supercharger network!
 
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Gasoline is hauled in by trucks. Superchargers, eventually, will be powered by the sun. Therefore, as long as the sun shines you should be able to charge your car.

Tesla EV for me!

And if you're stuck somewhere, there's camper mode, which can provide you with a comfortable environment for days.
 

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I'd prefer a long-range EV, but I would definitely be shutting off the HVAC and putting down the windows if necessary. You don't want to risk getting stranded in that situation. Someone could always bring a can of gas to you - they can't bring you a supercharging station.
 

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I think I'd have to take 600 mile Hybrid vs 300 mile Tesla.

I think a lot of people probably wait about a day too long to get gas, and there's no harm in topping off your tank even if there's a 10% chance of the hurricane headed your way.
 

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I think I'd have to take 600 mile Hybrid vs 300 mile Tesla.
That would be a mistake if you're stuck in a traffic jam.

That 300 mile Tesla magically becomes a 550 mile Tesla when you're stuck in stop-and-go traffic.
That 600 mile hybrid becomes a 450 mile hybrid in stop-and-go traffic once the battery runs out. It might do better if it can shut off the engine when stopped, but then it has to pretty much idle that engine every time you crawl along.
 
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You are absolutely better off in an EV!

It requires almost no energy to creep along in traffic on the highway. Running AC to keep from heat exhaustion it would last for over a week (people have died from getting stuck in evacuation traffic!).

Gas stations might be out of gas but remember you can plug the car in anywhere. Chances are you don't need to drive more than a half hour to find a business with power if yours is out.

If you are riding it out at home, pick up a dual fuel generator. They run 12 hours on a tank of propane to run your house or charge your car. They require almost no maintenance. And still can switch to gasoline if that is all you can get. That's three sources of power for your EV, while ICEs only have one.
 

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Well all of my shutters are up so it's time to pass out now.

The panic of hurricane certainly helps reaffirm my decision on long range battery.

"Better safe than sorry"
 

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Well all of my shutters are up so it's time to pass out now.

The panic of hurricane certainly helps reaffirm my decision on long range battery.

"Better safe than sorry"
What about a range extender on or in a trailer? You can carry a huge load of fuel in it and a 13kW generator likely suffices to keep rolling away from doom when the road is stuffed with other who had the same idea. A really efficient generator and a 200 liter tank under an otherwise shoddy looking (aero) trailer would get you many thousands of kilometers.
That and a nice roll of solar sheet to unfold alonside the road, of course. No need to needlessly pollute during doomsday.
 

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If you're traveling at slow speeds you're essentially hypermiling, no?
That 300 mile Tesla magically becomes a 550 mile Tesla when you're stuck in stop-and-go traffic.
No. There is a huge difference between hypermiling and stop & go traffic. And even between driving slow and hypermiling.

That said, there is something to be said for having a fuel which can be transfer to the guy blocking you way on the highway.

Thank you kindly.
 

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No. There is a huge difference between hypermiling and stop & go traffic. And even between driving slow and hypermiling.
Regardless, we know that electrics (and hybrids) can recover some energy during the "stopping" part of stop&go. And we do know the speed vs efficiency curves for electric cars favor slow speeds up until the point that that it is balanced out by the constant uses of electricity.

The graph below is for older versions of the Model S. The Model S has a lot of overhead, making the "best" speed for efficiency around 23mph. Nissan did a much better job with the Leaf, giving it a best speed of about 12mph. I'm hopeful that the Model 3 will best even that, since Tesla seems to have concentrated a lot on efficiency in that car in order to offer long range with a fairly small (50kWh) battery.

 

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Well all of my shutters are up so it's time to pass out now.

The panic of hurricane certainly helps reaffirm my decision on long range battery.

"Better safe than sorry"
I hope you and yours fare well in the storm thats heading toward you. I've run from a couple while I lived in Fort walton Beach and Homestead, FL and have no interest in ever doing that again.

I fear that the storms will become more common and stronger as time passes if, like me, you believe the scientists. I tend to think climate scientists know more than the politicians do about the climate changing.