How Important Is Full Self Driving to you - both when you bought the car and now?

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How Important Is Full Self Driving to you - both when you bought the car and now?

  • It's the biggest reason why I bought the car

    Votes: 26 14.8%
  • Wasn't mainly why I bought the car, but definitely very interested in using it when it comes out

    Votes: 89 50.6%
  • Have some interest in FSD in the future, will see how it plays out

    Votes: 41 23.3%
  • Have no real interest in buying FSD in the future because of price

    Votes: 9 5.1%
  • Have no real interest in buying FSD in the future because I'm not interested

    Votes: 11 6.3%
  • Think FSD is happening too fast, wish Tesla were more in line with the rest of the industry

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Hope FSD never happens

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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#41
This car is so much fun to drive. It's still hard to believe how much I love it, and I can't imagine ever wanting it to drive itself. Even after 15 months I still look forward to getting in it everyday. I have no interest in AP or FSD, but if I was forced to have AP (and the dreaded TACC) I would use it situationally in heavy highway traffic. But in low to moderate traffic, which is my usual scenario, it would just irritate me. As things stand right now, it's pretty clear from reading this forum that there are still many of the same issues from a year ago when I had the free trial. So I'm not really sure how FSD is a realistic goal within the next several years. But I'm pulling for them and very interested to see how it plays out.
I think TACC has changed a lot in the last couple of firmware updates.

I think the car is a lot of fun to drive, and I find the current iteration of TACC enhances that. With TACC on, I can still go above the speed TACC is set at without disengaging. So in moderate traffic, when I might need to change lanes quite a bit to pass, it makes things easier without making them less fun.

NOA, on the other hand, I don't get the appeal of, so I've stuck with the plain vanilla AP. But to each their own...
 
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I bought with everything before FSD and it was a factor, a significant one, but not the top reason. I really look forward to FSD because I see my reactions slowing as I age. The main issue right now is that I love driving the car so much I don't switch it into autopilot. With that said I have it on every day on the way home from work, 19 miles of congested traffic. I use it and keep half an eye on the road. The difference I find is that I get home without additional stress and actually feeling a little refreshed. I do attribute that to the car allowing me to relax more as it pays attention to the drivers around me. I don't use it on the way in. Early morning, less traffic and did I say I love to drive my car? Can't wait until FSD, at least for my commutes home and longer trips.
 

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I've only had the car since April 2019 and I've noticed changes for the good with the software updates. It has really gotten better with matching speed of the road and cars around me. Regularly I drive from Tampa to St. Petersburg and St. Petersburg to Bradenton without touching anything (loosely holding wheel). NOA is not always perfectly smooth, but the system is amazing. Now when I approach a red light the system "yells" at me if it thinks I'm running it. Haven't had any stop sign recognition yet.
 

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#46
What I am interested in, however, is the perfection of EAP on the interstate. The more I see, the more I am convinced that HW3 is going to be required for that.
This is a perfectly understandable desire.

I don't understand why you think HW3 would be required for that though.

Having just taken a 1900+ mile road trip and using EAP/NoA for most of it, I don't think its current limitations are insurmountable with the current hardware. It seems more of a path planning issue to me, not an object recognition/prediction issue, which I think the car basically has down right now. The major issues with disengagements or overrides for me were simply that sometimes it was too quick to pull into the left lane to pass, and too slow to move back out of the passing lane, and then after you override it to either cancel a pass or to manually pull into the right lane, it would then refuse to make a pass (this might be by design, since I think it took my override as an indication that I wanted to be in a specific lane). At other times I thought it was spot on in handling passing/lane changes.
 

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Wanted to chime in and bump this thread. Since the last software update, NOA is not working for me over 95% of the time. This makes me very wary for FSD in the future. Anyone else?
 

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Wanted to chime in and bump this thread. Since the last software update, NOA is not working for me over 95% of the time. This makes me very wary for FSD in the future. Anyone else?
No. Mine still works well. What exactly doesn't work "over 95% of the time?" It doesn't engage at all? It doesn't change lanes in time?
 
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As long as the thread is bumped, I'll chime in on two very different experiences I've had with Autopilot (not necessarily NoA).

On my trip home from northern NY (to NC) through NY, PA, MD, WV, VA and NC, Autopilot (and NoA) worked quite well. Yes, sometimes NoA was frustratingly slow in getting out of the passing lane, and once you override it by using the turn signal, then it thinks you want to be in the slow lane, so it won't pass the next car, and when you override that, then it thinks you want to be in the fast lane and won't pull back into the slow lane. If you can just let it sit for 5 minutes, it will eventually start working automatically again. They have a bit of work to do on the logic here.

But on a recent trip from NC to Louisville, KY and back, through NC, VA, WV and KY, I found that Autopilot just doesn't work well on twisty, hilly interstates with a lot of truck traffic.

Autopilot definitely wants to keep in the middle of the lane (which it does reasonably well even on twisty highways), but other vehicles (and especially trucks) tend to want to hug the inside curve, and that ends up being what a human would naturally do when passing a truck on the inside of a curve. My wife would have none of the Autopilot in that part of WV.

So I can appreciate the fact that some people may think that Autopilot works great, whereas others think it doesn't. Just by traveling on two different sets of roads, I agree with both opinions.
 

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#50
Did a trip over the weekend in my Model 3 from Fremont California to the Sierra's (Mi-Wuk to be exact) and 2019.32.1 handled it perfectly. Only issue that still needs to be fixed is when one lane splits into two. But that's been the case for a while. Very much looking forward to Version 10, which is doing one more internal QC next week before hopefully being released to the FSD owners. (per Elon) The masses would follow that release.
 

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Engages, doesn't change lanes at all. Will literally sit behind cars at 10 below set speed without suggesting lane change.
What mode do you have your NOA in? Just curious. I keep mine in standard mode because I'm not usually in a heavy commute and for long trips I don't want the constant lane changes that you get with Mad Max mode.
 

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When I got my car in November 2018, I got everything except Full Self Driving. I didn't see that as something that would be here very soon. I thought probably many years in the future. And I didn't want to pay for something I thought I wouldn't get the chance to use.

Well, I didn't realize how absolutely-crazy-cool driving a Tesla would be. I have a 2004 Chevy Malibu and a 2000 Jeep Cherokee. Both have cruise control, and thats about it. So even the tiniest little bell or whistle in the Tesla seems to blow me away. Even the whoopee cushion is cool. And Dog Mode? Are you kidding me?!? Even though if the dogs need to go somewhere, they're not going in the Tesla. Not yet anyway.

Even after having the car for nearly a year, I still peek out the window to just look at the car in the driveway. When I go somewhere and park, as I walk away, almost every time I'll turn and look back at the car. If I don't look back it takes some serious self-control. When my wife takes the car somewhere, I'll go out on the front porch just to listen to the silence as she pulls away. It's still that cool. I love pulling away from a traffic light and leaving everybody else behind. I haven't been to a gas station except to get gas for my lawn mower. I drove the Tesla of course, just because that's cool. You get my point.

Long story short - I recently purchased Full Self Driving. I hope it comes soon. As much as I love driving this car myself, I will definitely give FSD a shot. I use the TAAC and Autopilot on longer trips and they've worked great.

I want to be clear though. I want FSD to be exactly that. FULL Self Driving. I get in the car. Tell it where I want to go. And I don't have to do ANYTHING except enjoy the scenery. No input from me whatsoever once the car stars moving. Anything less will be a disappointment.
 

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#54
When I ordered my car I did not purchase FSD, even though I thought it would be great if it ever materialized. I believed that it would be a few years out before we see anything all that useful and I would purchase it when/if it finally becomes feature complete.

When they dropped the price to $2000, I decided to go ahead and take a chance with the thought that at least I would end up with HW 3 out of the deal.

If FSD never comes about to the degree I would like, I will not be upset. I loved my M3 from day one (took delivery just over 1 year ago) and it just keeps getting better.
 

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Increasingly, I want L3 autonomy. I don't expect L5 to be here for a long time. I have AP but not FSD, but L3 might tempt me. For example, it would be nice to have the car drive itself onramp to onramp. Not monitored, like NOA, but truly self-driving over that stretch. Or in traffic jams on city streets--just get me to the next stoplight without prompts to take the wheel.

But, based on what I've seen from TOO, that seems to be an unusual desire. Most people either aren't interested until it's L5 door-to-door, or they're interested in driver assist getting better. L3 doesn't seem to be high on people's list, and it doesn't seem to be something Tesla is interested in either--they want to get to L5, by gradually making assist (L2) better and better until--poof!--we have L5.
 

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What mode do you have your NOA in? Just curious. I keep mine in standard mode because I'm not usually in a heavy commute and for long trips I don't want the constant lane changes that you get with Mad Max mode.
Mad Max.

I turned off NOA last night and re-engaged it and it worked on the drive home. This morning, no dice.


I want to be clear though. I want FSD to be exactly that. FULL Self Driving. I get in the car. Tell it where I want to go. And I don't have to do ANYTHING except enjoy the scenery. No input from me whatsoever once the car stars moving. Anything less will be a disappointment.
That's exactly why I didn't purchase FSD. I don't think that level of autonomy will be here any time soon. Likely not while I still own this car. And while I do believe that there will be some form of FSD, as in "NOA works on regular roads" I don't believe it will be allowed to run without driver monitoring.

And even when it does, I want to ride in a car with HW3 and FSD enabled and experience it myself before I pull the trigger.
 

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And even when it does, I want to ride in a car with HW3 and FSD enabled and experience it myself before I pull the trigger.
Yeah, me too. Except I don't know if the crazy price swings will not make this option pretty much impossible for me. I missed the $2,000 deal, not realizing it was just a quick sale. Then the price went up, and I was kicking myself. Now I am thinking about the FSD for $3,000. I am pretty sure it's not worth it, as there will not likely to be any real FSD during my car's lifetime. And I am not super happy with the current iteration of EAP, having all the same issues people are describing all over this board. But HW3 seems like something I would like to have, eventually. But for $3K? Don't know.

At some point the price is likely to jump, possibly up to $6K, or even higher. But it may come down again.
 

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When I bought the car I was pretty certain it was going to be a much longer runway than others expected or Elon was suggesting. But, I wanted to be able to be on the cutting edge in this space with a vehicle that I owned and at 5K for EAP and then 2K for FSD upgrade, I’m okay with the amounts. Both for purchase or resale.
 

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I just wanted my next car to have the capability to become self driving. I am hoping for a quick ramp up, but if it takes a couple years that's OK too. Even now I regularly commute on NOA 90% of the way to and from...