Five years of EV ownership

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I've been here a while, but figured that the introduction section is probably the best place to link to an article on my five year EV anniversary... February 23, 2012 is the day i took our first EV (at 9pm Pacific, so I'm about four hours early).

I've made some great friends on this forum and look forward to the day that you folks get your Model 3s and join me in the rEVolution and joy of driving electric.

From three years ago, I was disappointed in having to leave my Active E behind...

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Having a couple of great EVs to soothe the pain of losing the Active E has been a great salve.

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Now I am looking forward to the Model 3 to join the Model S and Roadster.
 

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so @AEDennis -
  1. what did you find to be the biggest issue/challenge switching over to an EV?
  2. what has came from being an EV driver that you weren't expecting or surprised you the most?
 

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so @AEDennis -
  1. what did you find to be the biggest issue/challenge switching over to an EV?
  2. what has came from being an EV driver that you weren't expecting or surprised you the most?
@MelindaV. I've answered these throughout the years... and at five years.... here are my current answers.

1) it's been five years, so biggest challenge to switching has long been in the rear view mirror. I think the biggest challenge is what is perceived to be the needed range and what is actually needed and used. In my daily drive, I did 54,321 miles in an EV with no fast charging nor greater than 100 miles of range... this proved to me that range anxiety is a "red herring."

2) how inconvenient it is to gas up a car. Drive out of the way to get filled back up. Whereas it's a few seconds a night to plug the car in and get the range when I wake up.
 

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I did 54,321 miles in an EV with no fast charging nor greater than 100 miles of range... this proved to me that range anxiety is a "red herring."
I've done 75,500 in an EV that started out with 90 miles of range and now has closer to 50-60 miles of range. And I'm here to tell you that range anxiety is REAL. I don't ever want to hit "turtle" again. I'm getting a 3 with the biggest battery offered.
2) how inconvenient it is to gas up a car. Drive out of the way to get filled back up. Whereas it's a few seconds a night to plug the car in and get the range when I wake up.
It really is amazing how strange it feels when you have to visit a gas station after years of EV ownership. People don't think about how much of a time waste it is because it's just something that needs to be done... until you've owned an EV and realize that it isn't.
 

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5 years in June, a total of over 100,000 miles with 2 different i Miev's , with a range of 60 miles.

Living in Canada the biggest challenge was adjusting to the drop in range in winter conditions .
Second was getting used to doing trip planning due to the small range.

Therefore the model 3 reservation that will more than cover my maximum local driving needs and allow me to charge at home only, for these needs.

Charging on the road can get expensive and be inconvenient.
 
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I've done 75,500 in an EV that started out with 90 miles of range and now has closer to 50-60 miles of range. And I'm here to tell you that range anxiety is REAL. I don't ever want to hit "turtle" again. I'm getting a 3 with the biggest battery offered.
It really is amazing how strange it feels when you have to visit a gas station after years of EV ownership. People don't think about how much of a time waste it is because it's just something that needs to be done... until you've owned an EV and realize that it isn't.
Helps that the Active E had liquid cooled batteries and the two year cycle had relatively low degradation. I suppose if degradation was bad, then anxiety would creep in. Also helped that I had ready access to L2 at the time.

5 years in June, a total of over 100,000 miles with 2 different i Miev's , with a range of 60 miles.
Living in Canada the biggest challenge was adjusting to the drop in range in winter conditions .
Second was getting used to doing trip planning due to the small range.
Therefore the model 3 reservation that will more than cover my maximum local driving needs and allow me to charge at home only for these needs.
Charging on the road can get expensive and be inconvenient.
I've been blessed with living in Southern California with not much weather, normally. Not this Winter.
 

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5 years in June, a total of over 100,000 miles with 2 different i Miev's , with a range of 60 miles.

Living in Canada the biggest challenge was adjusting to the drop in range in winter conditions .
Second was getting used to doing trip planning due to the small range.

Therefore the model 3 reservation that will more than cover my maximum local driving needs and allow me to charge at home only, for these needs.

Charging on the road can get expensive and be inconvenient.
I do think your story is the most impressive I've seen of EV people I've encountered in the last year or so!
We don't see many iMiev's on the streets here (even though they have consistently been available for sale in Oregon from their beginning) but when I do, I look at it's skinny tires and I can't imagine it as a fowl weather car (or at full freeway speed)!
Front & Rear:
 

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The skinny tires actually help bite in the snow, along with the battery weight - (more lbs/square inch)
Not good for driving on sand at the beach.
It's not really a highway car (side wind buffeting during high winds) but it can easily roll down the highway at 75 mph at the cost of some range.
Around here we spend a lot of time in traffic so loss of range due to the speed is rarely an issue.

Imagine we paid almost the same price for our first i Miev ( 2012) as the base price for a M3
 

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I do think your story is the most impressive I've seen of EV people I've encountered in the last year or so!
We don't see many iMiev's on the streets here (even though they have consistently been available for sale in Oregon from their beginning) but when I do, I look at it's skinny tires and I can't imagine it as a fowl weather car (or at full freeway speed)!
Front & Rear:
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The skinny tires actually help bite in the snow, along with the battery weight - (more lbs/square inch)
Not good for driving on sand at the beach.
It's not really a highway car (side wind buffeting during high winds) but it can easily roll down the highway at 75 mph at the cost of some range.
Around here we spend a lot of time in traffic so loss of range due to the speed is rarely an issue.

Imagine we paid almost the same price for our first i Miev ( 2012) as the base price for a M3
The iMiEV is a remarkable first BEV.

A friend of mine in Europe is always writing and shooting video of his iMiEV clone.

Here's his latest YouTube


He just took his up to the mountains to go skiing on a road trip.
 

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I've done 75,500 in an EV that started out with 90 miles of range and now has closer to 50-60 miles of range. And I'm here to tell you that range anxiety is REAL. I don't ever want to hit "turtle" again. I'm getting a 3 with the biggest battery offered.
It really is amazing how strange it feels when you have to visit a gas station after years of EV ownership. People don't think about how much of a time waste it is because it's just something that needs to be done... until you've owned an EV and realize that it isn't.
I'm with you, although I only have 38K miles on my LEAF and still have 70 miles at full charge.
It doesn't help that the LEAF starts beeping and whining when it hits 20%, so if you start at 80% you only have a realistic 50 miles or so.
Like you I'll be getting the biggest battery I can get in my Model 3.
But wouldn't swap driving electric for anything.
 

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It doesn't help that the LEAF starts beeping and whining when it hits 20%, so if you start at 80% you only have a realistic 50 miles or so.
I hit the second warning (Very Low Battery Warning) just about every single day on my way in to work. :)
 

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It really is amazing how strange it feels when you have to visit a gas station after years of EV ownership. People don't think about how much of a time waste it is because it's just something that needs to be done... until you've owned an EV and realize that it isn't.
This is something I'm curious about myself. I don't consider buying gas a nuisance, if anything I tend to enjoy going out for a few minutes for a relaxing fill up. But I also don't drive a lot. With the exception of my frequent road trips (where charging is still less convenient than filling up on gas), I only buy gas once every few weeks. I certainly do see how this could make a big difference for someone who has a decent commute every day.
 

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@ AEDennis

Your friend is an early adapter & quite adventurous.
I see he has also added a diesel heater as we did in our second 2014 i Miev -
In effect our car has a hybrid electric/diesel heater.
In my opinion a must for this car in Canada
This makes a huge difference when choosing to use the diesel heater
in comfort & allowing us to have up to 55 miles (85-90 km) winter range .
Several Leaf owners and some others also have done this up here.

As your friend experienced in the video
When you have such a small range vehicle a GPS miss direction or an unexpected construction/accident detour can have a major impact on your plans.
It's time to bring on the next generation EVs
Hello M3
 

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I see he has also added a diesel heater as we did in our second 2014 i Miev
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Several Leaf owners and some others also have done this up here.
I went the other route. I installed a switch to disable the heater in winter. I just use the heated seats & steering wheel, and bundle up. The Leaf's heater just eats too many electrons.
 

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Up here we start to heat as early as mid September and finish heating mid May.
Depending on the temperature we loose as much as 40 % of our range when using the Original electric heater.
Sometimes 37 miles range is not enough, and/or if the inside of the wind shield gets iced up - we use the diesel heater.
Otherwise for shorter trips we use the stock heater
 

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@ AEDennis

Your friend is an early adapter & quite adventurous.
I see he has also added a diesel heater as we did in our second 2014 i Miev -
In effect our car has a hybrid electric/diesel heater.
In my opinion a must for this car in Canada
This makes a huge difference when choosing to use the diesel heater
in comfort & allowing us to have up to 55 miles (85-90 km) winter range .
Several Leaf owners and some others also have done this up here.

As your friend experienced in the video
When you have such a small range vehicle a GPS miss direction or an unexpected construction/accident detour can have a major impact on your plans.
It's time to bring on the next generation EVs
Hello M3
Yup, he's hand some interesting adventures in that car. Had to get an iMiEV faceplate to access the last two gear settings B and whatever the other one is... apparently the Peugeot Ion nor Citroen C-Zero had faceplates that stopped at D