EVTripping vs ABetterRoutePlanner

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After getting my Model 3 LR, I intend on taking regular trips to see my girlfriend in vegas. I've explored a few different trip planners, and seem to have narrowed it down to two good ones, EVTripping and ABetterRoutePlanner. Problem is they give me vastly different routes, with EVTripping being the fastest one in the end.




Is either one known to be more reliable than the other? I have the better trip planner energy usage set to 237wh/mile.

Edit: EVTripping not EVTripPlanner, whoops!
 
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try EVtripping as a comparison, it's by our member @teslaliving

the couple sample trips I've mapped out came out ridiculously off using AbetterRoutePlanner (ironically).
Like the one I routed from Portland, OR to Bend, OR to The Dalles, OR and back to Portland OR. Figured that would be good to test it out because there is a Supercharger in both Bend and The Dalles. But to get from Bend to The Dalles (a 2ish hour drive) it went East of St Louis, MO! After that I tried another somewhat local trip and it had something else just as crazy but in a different way. after that I lost all faith in their ability to be logical.
 

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I'm terribly sorry, that's the name of the one other than abetterrouteplanner, I was mistaken there. That's really good news though! Could shave a few hours off my drive each way!

Thanks for letting me know! :D
 
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Are these planners intended to capture fastest route or more scenic route or potentially a mix of both?
 

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I use EVTripplanner for planning purposes ahead of time, but just use the Tesla nav when in the car. It knows your actual state is charge and how long you need to charge, where and for how long to actually make it, instead of just using hypotheticals.
 

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When is someone going to make a route planner that finds the funnest route by automatically finding the most curves to your destination?
Honestly though, here in CA "funnest" would just mean "least likely to be stuck in stop-and-go traffic". Curves would, unfortunately, be relegated to a 2nd order concern.
 
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I have been playing around a lot with evtripplanner.com and while all of the paths seemed very reasonable - when I try to go from Seattle to Dallas, it always takes me a roundabout way through Aberdeen, MD for a 4,400 miles - lol
Anyone else want to try that out?
 

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I have been playing around a lot with evtripplanner.com and while all of the paths seemed very reasonable - when I try to go from Seattle to Dallas, it always takes me a roundabout way through Aberdeen, MD for a 4,400 miles - lol
Anyone else want to try that out?
when I put SEA to DAL in it goes as far as Aberdeen, MD before turning toward TX. Wonder if it intended to hit Aberdeen, WA (which still would not be logical, but more so than Maryland maybe).... (incidentally, it also does not suggest any charging between Centralia, wa and Aberdeen, md.....)
 

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when I put SEA to DAL in it goes as far as Aberdeen, MD before turning toward TX. Wonder if it intended to hit Aberdeen, WA (which still would not be logical, but more so than Maryland maybe).... (incidentally, it also does not suggest any charging between Centralia, wa and Aberdeen, md.....)
I think EVTripPlanner is working perfectly here. It's just that the app knows how much we love to drive our EVs!
 

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Hi folks, I wrote EVTripping.com. I can answer a few questions here:

1) EVTripPlanner was the original trip planner created quite a while ago. They have some of their story on their site. It was/is an impressive piece of work and does a great job with a lot of trip planning.

2) I created EVTripping.com because the above didn't do all the things I wanted it to do (more in that on my FAQ over on EVTripping) and I wanted to play with various technologies during some down time.

3) There are several other ones that have come along more recently like ABetterRoutePlanner.

I think they're all free at this point and each has their pros and cons and caters to different needs. There are a number of things that need to be factored in including weather and traffic etc. As far as I know, only EVTripping uses live (or future/historical as the need fits) weather. Weather can affect your range by up to 40%.

I'm always looking for and fixing issues with routing. There's a long list of feature requests that I need to get to when I have more down time between other projects.

EVTripping picks the tip that yields the shortest time from point A to point B (with any waypoints/charging along the way). You can do layovers, and non-fast charger stops, but the main goal is for you to plan on how to get to your destination and how long it will all take.

As a side benefit, you can connect your car to EVTripping.com and get some things like plug in reminders, service reminders and other things (not required for routing).

Happy to discuss functionality and features here.
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Hi folks, I wrote EVTripping.com. I can answer a few questions here:

1) EVTripPlanner was the original trip planner created quite a while ago. They have some of their story on their site. It was/is an impressive piece of work and does a great job with a lot of trip planning.

2) I created EVTripping.com because the above didn't do all the things I wanted it to do (more in that on my FAQ over on EVTripping) and I wanted to play with various technologies during some down time.

3) There are several other ones that have come along more recently like ABetterRoutePlanner.

I think they're all free at this point and each has their pros and cons and caters to different needs. There are a number of things that need to be factored in including weather and traffic etc. As far as I know, only EVTripping uses live (or future/historical as the need fits) weather. Weather can affect your range by up to 40%.

I'm always looking for and fixing issues with routing. There's a long list of feature requests that I need to get to when I have more down time between other projects.

EVTripping picks the tip that yields the shortest time from point A to point B (with any waypoints/charging along the way). You can do layovers, and non-fast charger stops, but the main goal is for you to plan on how to get to your destination and how long it will all take.

As a side benefit, you can connect your car to EVTripping.com and get some things like plug in reminders, service reminders and other things (not required for routing).

Happy to discuss functionality and features here.
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Sidebar: I tried to create/open a (new) account with your planner. I never got the confirmation email (yes, I have checked my junk email several times). I also sent an email to your team via the "contact us" method explaining the situation and have had no reply.
 

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Sidebar: I tried to create/open a (new) account with your planner. I never got the confirmation email (yes, I have checked my junk email several times). I also sent an email to your team via the "contact us" method explaining the situation and have had no reply.
I sent you a DM on here so we can sort it out. With 8,000 registered users the email system generally works. Spam filters can be a real pain and can happen at multiple levels. The people with the most trouble are those with AOL accounts.
 
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1st, Thx for making EVTripping.com!

I've been trying to calculate a very common CA trip
from Laurel Cyn in LA to SF with a TM3 standard.

EVTripping.com suggests 2 stops for 29 mins total charge time.
Is this accurate?!! If so YIPPY!!!
(But somehow this seems to good to be true.)

For comparrison abetterrouteplanner.com suggests
the same 3 stops but for 1 hr. total charge time.

Which one is correct?
THX!!

(image 1 & 2 from EVTripping, image 3 from abetterrouteplanner.)
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Thanks!

We've had a lot of feedback from owners on the accuracy of our routing. Keep in mind the safety margin makes a big difference, make sure that's set to your comfort level. For reference, Tesla generally runs about a 12-15% safety margin. As you get more comfortable with the car you tend to cut things tighter. In the summer I'll run with margins <10%. At about 6% Tesla whines a lot so about 8% is my minimum. Winter brings more risk with weather so I run a higher margin.

EVTripplanner is also very accurate for a 3rd reference point.

Note that all the Model 3 routing models everyone has for now is conjecture with no real-world feedback. They're based on the models for the S and X with adjustments for the 3's better efficiency, weight etc. As we get real world feedback from Model 3 owners (and our own someday!) we'll be fine tuning the algorithms. I'd guess they're pretty close already though.
 
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THX! -
I sure wish some current TM3 extended range users would give feedback on this very common CA trip.
 

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Thanks!

We've had a lot of feedback from owners on the accuracy of our routing. Keep in mind the safety margin makes a big difference, make sure that's set to your comfort level. For reference, Tesla generally runs about a 12-15% safety margin. As you get more comfortable with the car you tend to cut things tighter. In the summer I'll run with margins <10%. At about 6% Tesla whines a lot so about 8% is my minimum. Winter brings more risk with weather so I run a higher margin.

EVTripplanner is also very accurate for a 3rd reference point.

Note that all the Model 3 routing models everyone has for now is conjecture with no real-world feedback. They're based on the models for the S and X with adjustments for the 3's better efficiency, weight etc. As we get real world feedback from Model 3 owners (and our own someday!) we'll be fine tuning the algorithms. I'd guess they're pretty close already though.
in trying @mntlvr23's seattle to dallas route on your site, I'm also getting routing all the way to the east coast. so out of curiosity started with cities further south from seattle and it would route up to seattle then head east. I got as far as Shasta, CA with it still doing that. Next place to the south (Redding, CA) routed correctly going down thru california and then east, but anything Shasta or north would not start out going south.
I don't have any restrictions on toll roads, the SW state ;) or anything else that should be forcing it to do 2x as long of a drive as required, but I've tried a dozen different city combinations and they all do something similar.
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in trying @mntlvr23's seattle to dallas route on your site, I'm also getting routing all the way to the east coast. so out of curiosity started with cities further south from seattle and it would route up to seattle then head east. I got as far as Shasta, CA with it still doing that. Next place to the south (Redding, CA) routed correctly going down thru california and then east, but anything Shasta or north would not start out going south.
I don't have any restrictions on toll roads, the SW state ;) or anything else that should be forcing it to do 2x as long of a drive as required, but I've tried a dozen different city combinations and they all do something similar.
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That is definitely odd. I'll look into it.
 

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in trying @mntlvr23's seattle to dallas route on your site, I'm also getting routing all the way to the east coast. so out of curiosity started with cities further south from seattle and it would route up to seattle then head east. I got as far as Shasta, CA with it still doing that. Next place to the south (Redding, CA) routed correctly going down thru california and then east, but anything Shasta or north would not start out going south.
I don't have any restrictions on toll roads, the SW state ;) or anything else that should be forcing it to do 2x as long of a drive as required, but I've tried a dozen different city combinations and they all do something similar.
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This is fixed now.

Fun fact, there's an Aberdeen Supercharger in Washington and one in Maryland. Tesla saw fit to rename things somewhere along the way which caused some confusion for the quick routing algorithms.

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