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I was hoping to find some information out on the dual motor and performance options, granted Tesla called it a delivery event as not much has really been revealed. I was also hoping that there might be some cool future feature or something mentioned but I guess they want to shift as many cars as possible within the current options list. Nothing I've seen today has made me want to get rid of my BMW 3 series, this is why I'm feeling just a bit disappointed.
 

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I was hoping to find some information out on the dual motor and performance options, granted Tesla called it a delivery event as not much has really been revealed. I was also hoping that there might be some cool future feature or something mentioned but I guess they want to shift as many cars as possible within the current options list. Nothing I've seen today has made me want to get rid of my BMW 3 series, this is why I'm feeling just a bit disappointed.
You have to stop and think about it. They brought forward the car they unveiled on March 31, 2016 and matched or beat all of the promised specs. In fact the only thing they didn't deliver on is 20" rims and matte finish paint. 2 things that you don't really see in this class car.

You can only be disappointed if you allowed speculation to sway you into believing the car was going to do or be something different.

I actually think this car really stacks up very favorably against the BMW 3 series at all levels.

As for performance, I think it's fair that they left it out. It's out there and they have half a million customers to serve. That's a very small subset. Things can change between now and performance becoming a reality.
 
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I had to give myself some perspective this morning. Other than the premium options, the basic car is a really good car, as is, for $35k. One does need to add those premium options to really compete with entry-level luxury, though.
 

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Keep in mind that with guaranteed demand through late next year, this event was not going to provide everything expected from a sales presentation. For now the company needs to promote Models S & X to earn the income needed to accelerate the production of Model 3's.

If the Model 3 is not big enough for you or the wait is too long, then get an S or X. Used ones are now available, if the price of a new one is out of your reach. More information on any of the Tesla models including the Model 3 can now be received by visiting or phoning a Tesla store.

Meanwhile, Electrek has Model 3 Specs: https://electrek.co/2017/07/29/tesla-model-3-production-specs-revealed/
 

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Mixed bag.

I had pretty high expectations going into last night's delivery event. I think part of that expectation was that there would be something unexpectedly good about price, availability, or features.

Price was a bit of a let down. Not that prices are unreasonable, they are reasonable, it's just that there weren't any screaming deals. My guesses were cheaper. And I thought the base package would have synthetic (not textile) seats and that getting a console with covers and chargers wouldn't require the premium package. I thought I would agonize over getting premium, but it turns out I want everything in it.

Availability, at least for dual and performance, was a let down. The difference in "taking what's being made first" and getting dual motors is 13 months for me. I thought it would be 4-5 months difference.

In the features category I was actually surprised on the upside:
  • While it's overly complicated, I dig the digital control of vent aiming (because normal vents are ugly looking)
  • The fact that that the premium package has profile memory, and that it has profiles for different drivers is cool
  • While it's overly complicated, motorized steering wheel adjustment from the steering wheel toggles is cool
  • The electric folding mirrors are nice
  • Using my phone as a key is a good idea, and I'm hoping the number of profiles they allow is high enough to let any of our 5 family members have "keys"; no more keys to buy/lose/reprogram
  • WiFi is nice, though not really necessary for someone with a phone that has good data plan in a good coverage area; we already routinely use a phone as personal hotspot when someones trying to work on their laptop in the car—I wonder what WiFi costs from Tesla?
  • Back folding armrest with cupholders
  • Split, folding rear seats
  • Ample trunk opening
  • Coat hooks
  • Sound system reportedly sounds nice
 
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Mixed bag.

I had pretty high expectations going into last night's delivery event. I think part of that expectation was that there would be something unexpectedly good about price, availability, or features.

Price was a bit of a let down. Not that prices are unreasonable, they are reasonable, it's just that there weren't any screaming deals. My guesses were cheaper. And I thought the base package would have synthetic (not textile) seats and that getting a console with covers and chargers wouldn't require the premium package. I thought I would agonize over getting premium, but it turns out I want everything in it.

Availability, at least for dual and performance, was a let down. The difference in "taking what's being made first" and getting dual motors is 13 months for me. I thought it would be 4-5 months difference.

In the features category I was actually surprised on the upside:
  • While it's overly complicated, I dig the digital control of vent aiming (because normal vents are ugly looking)
  • The fact that that the premium package has profile memory, and that it has profiles for different drivers is cool
  • While it's overly complicated, motorized steering wheel adjustment from the steering wheel toggles is cool
  • The electric folding mirrors are nice
  • Using my phone as a key is a good idea, and I'm hoping the number of profiles they allow is high enough to let any of our 5 family members have "keys"; no more keys to buy/lose/reprogram
  • WiFi is nice, though not really necessary for someone with a phone that has good data plan in a good coverage area; we already routinely use a phone as personal hotspot when someones trying to work on their laptop in the car—I wonder what WiFi costs from Tesla?
  • Back folding armrest with cupholders
  • Split, folding rear seats
  • Ample trunk opening
  • Coat hooks
  • Sound system reportedly sounds nice
Not sure where you got the above details? If you are a Tech CEO I would imagine you would be getting a new S or X and not a 3 with limited options, just saying...
 

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If the Model 3 is not big enough for you... then get an S or X.
see my comparison size chart over in this thread - the interior space is very much comparable to the S - with the S being a bit narrower, but likely not an issue unless you regularly have 3 adults in the backseat.

In the features category I was actually surprised on the upside:
  • While it's overly complicated, I dig the digital control of vent aiming (because normal vents are ugly looking)
  • The fact that that the premium package has profile memory, and that it has profiles for different drivers is cool
  • While it's overly complicated, motorized steering wheel adjustment from the steering wheel toggles is cool
  • The electric folding mirrors are nice
  • Using my phone as a key is a good idea, and I'm hoping the number of profiles they allow is high enough to let any of our 5 family members have "keys"; no more keys to buy/lose/reprogram
  • WiFi is nice, though not really necessary for someone with a phone that has good data plan in a good coverage area; we already routinely use a phone as personal hotspot when someones trying to work on their laptop in the car—I wonder what WiFi costs from Tesla?
  • Back folding armrest with cupholders
  • Split, folding rear seats
  • Ample trunk opening
  • Coat hooks
  • Sound system reportedly sounds nice
I was also pleasantly surprised at what all would be included in the premium package for $5k. it really was a better deal than I thought, but at the same time does go along with what they have done with the S/X recently.
I think once you use the UI, what you are seeing as overly complicated will become second nature. It's just new and different than what we've seen before.
Seeing that the phone bluetooth/proximity will be the main 'key' and not needing to swipe the keycard is awesome. with all the angst over the keycard's NFR range it is good to know it really is intended as an emergency thing and not an everyday key.
overall the paint, wheel, AP prices are what I expected. I was thinking the upgraded battery would be a little lower, but not significantly less - maybe more like $7k instead of $9k, otherwise everything pretty much is in line with what I anticipated (but I've been pessimistic about guessing prices...)

In the end, I will be putting more money into this car than I thought I would a year and a half ago, but at this point, it also seems like it's worth the extra and not skimping on.
(now, am I going to admit to my dad (the fiscal barometer of what is sensical) what the final price is? will have to think on that one ;) )
 

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Not sure where you got the above details? If you are a Tech CEO I would imagine you would be getting a new S or X and not a 3 with limited options, just saying...
The details are from watching the live streaming test drive videos last night. In each one, there are little hidden nuggets that were discovered or divulged in conversation.

It's not a matter of affording it, it's that there's a limit to what our family spends on cars. We live a very down-to-earth lifestyle, and don't like a lot of conspicuous consumption. We've raised our kids to be very practical about money and making spending trade-offs. They know that "more expensive is usually better, but you don't always need that much." For instance, there are areas we don't compromise, like when we buy computers and phones and equipment for our family business. And we take nice vacations. But cars are one of those areas that we are fine being more constrained about. Our cars all have leather and navigation in them, but they otherwise aren't flashy. We only care about cars so much, and for instance when we ding one up or add a scratch we tend to just laugh about it and say, 'Well, the car's got more character now."

The way I feel about it is that it's right that we'll pay more for a Tesla, because we very, very much value the elegantly designed software-centric approach that Tesla is taking, the safety, and the self-driving. But being very practical, we also know that there are perfectly fine transportation solutions from BMW and others that have attractively designed interiors that would cost less.
 
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The details are from watching the live streaming test drive videos last night. In each one, there are little hidden nuggets that were discovered or divulged in conversation.

It's not a matter of affording it, it's that there's a limit to what our family spends on cars. We live a very down-to-earth lifestyle, and don't like a lot of conspicuous consumption. We've raised our kids to be very practical about money and making spending trade-offs. They know that "more expensive is usually better, but you don't always need that much." For instance, there are areas we don't compromise, like when we buy computers and phones and equipment for our family business. And we take nice vacations. But cars are one of those areas that we are fine being more constrained about. Our cars all have leather and navigation in them, but they otherwise aren't flashy. We only care about cars so much, and for instance when we ding one up or add a scratch we tend to just laugh about it and say, 'Well, the car's got more character now."

The way I feel about it is that it's right that we'll pay more for a Tesla, because we very, very much value the elegantly designed software-centric approach that Tesla is taking, the safety, and the self-driving. But being very practical, we also know that there are perfectly fine transportation solutions from BMW and others that have attractively designed interiors that would cost less.
I'm with you here, I'm not yearning to go electric to help save the planet or fussed about vegan seats although I do appreciate that for some people these are high priorities and I would like to do my bit. I'm a "petrolhead" and was hoping that the Model 3 would be the car to drag me away from 6/8 cylinder ICE cars at a similar price point. Judging how Tesla price the S/X here in the U.K. and seeing that a fully loaded 3 is coming in at $59,500, I don't think a dual motor performance version is going to be attainable for me. The wait for a RHD is going to coincide with a lot of traditional manufactures bringing out there Model 3 equivalents so will keep an open mind and keep hold of my reservation unless someone offers me crazy money.
 

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I'm with you here, I'm not yearning to go electric to help save the planet or fussed about vegan seats although I do appreciate that for some people these are high priorities and I would like to do my bit. I'm a "petrolhead" and was hoping that the Model 3 would be the car to drag me away from 6/8 cylinder ICE cars at a similar price point. Judging how Tesla price the S/X here in the U.K. and seeing that a fully loaded 3 is coming in at $59,500, I don't think a dual motor performance version is going to be attainable for me. The wait for a RHD is going to coincide with a lot of traditional manufactures bringing out there Model 3 equivalents so will keep an open mind and keep hold of my reservation unless someone offers me crazy money.
I think a lot of people in the UK... myself included will do exactly the same.
 

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All,

Maybe we need a dose of reality...

Test drive a Chevy Bolt.

Then compare that to your disappointment.

That should help.

If you need another dose, test drive the new Nissan Leaf in September-October.

I'll be doing both to keep me grounded that Tesla just produced something AMAZING that, if you wait a little and avoid the extras, you can still get for $35,000.

littlD
 

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All,

Maybe we need a dose of reality...

Test drive a Chevy Bolt.

Then compare that to your disappointment.

That should help.

If you need another dose, test drive the new Nissan Leaf in September-October.

I'll be doing both to keep me grounded that Tesla just produced something AMAZING that, if you wait a little and avoid the extras, you can still get for $35,000.

littlD
then maybe test drive either for an extended weekend road trip without the Supercharger network
 
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I think initially I was disappointed in the fact that the glass roof (over the drivers head) was included in the premium package. We all knew that the metal roof was going to be standard, but it just felt a bit weird since all of the RC cars we saw didn't have a metal roof option. For what its worth, I had some time to re-evaluate it and for 5k, all of the items you get in the Premium package is pretty nice. I wouldn't mind seeing some of those options decoupled from the premium package but if that is what helps get the cars out faster then I will just need to make some adjustments in my budget. Right now it is long range vs no long range for me.
 

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Yeah, I feel lucky that I value everything in the luxury package. Most of the time I don't like packages, because there's usually one thing I REALLY want, and two I don't. Or thereabouts.
 

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You have to stop and think about it. They brought forward the car they unveiled on March 31, 2016 and matched or beat all of the promised specs. In fact the only thing they didn't deliver on is 20" rims and matte finish paint. 2 things that you don't really see in this class car.

You can only be disappointed if you allowed speculation to sway you into believing the car was going to do or be something different.

I actually think this car really stacks up very favorably against the BMW 3 series at all levels.

As for performance, I think it's fair that they left it out. It's out there and they have half a million customers to serve. That's a very small subset. Things can change between now and performance becoming a reality.
SFM3, I would add that Mr Musk said there was a : continuous painted glass. I dont remember hearing a metal roof. Just saying. But yes in big part they delivered what we saw.:)
 

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I'm pretty happy with everything except the delay on the AWD. That's a lot worse than what I expected. That really makes it a tough decision. I would get if for sure if it was available right away but not sure I want to wait over a year and miss out on some of the tax rebate. I'm thinking I'm going to need to get some snow tires and find someone that stores tires. Maybe trade it in, in two years and get a performance model.
 
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I was disappointed that the standard did not show a price on the auto pilot software
Fran's had a good pictures of the car from last night event for motor trend and at the end it showed a spec sheet that showed 0 to 60 as 5.1 that must be the extended package and since it had the wood panel too this is the upgrade package for 5k. Making the price 49
I am getting close to retirement so only need the standard edition
 

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Count me as one who was disappointed. We have to wait till the end of next year to get the car we want. I'm fine with the premium upgrade package. It's actually a bargain for all that you get in it, but I have to say I'm shocked the big battery is 9k. Did anyone see it being that high?
 

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Count me as one who was disappointed. We have to wait till the end of next year to get the car we want. I'm fine with the premium upgrade package. It's actually a bargain for all that you get in it, but I have to say I'm shocked the big battery is 9k. Did anyone see it being that high?
I thought the bigger battery was going to be $7k, so not too far off. For me the shocker was autopilot at $5k as I thought it would be priced lower than what it is for Model S.

No disappointments though.