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I drive a Honda Fit EV, a "Beta" test car (only 1100 manufactured). It has an 80 mile nominal range and I can't wait to get my new Tesla Model 3 with over 200 mile range. The low maintenance costs on my Honda Fit EV have been phenomenal!
I hope the Tesla Model 3 is similar. After 3 1/2 years there have been no problems with my Fit EV. When I take it in for servicing they 1) rotate the tires and 2) wash it. Can you imagine an internal combustion engine car like this??!!
I hope I can expect the same from a Model 3 Tesla.
 

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Yep, my Leaf has been like that too. I just take it in for state inspections. I swap & rotate wheels/tires myself.
 

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I personally cant wait to go to the Lube Shop in my area.. and have them fill up the washer fluid for me.
It will be exceptionally nice not to hear one of their employee's try to sell me on an air filter , rad flush ,etc ..etc
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(Most lube shops , if not all in my area, try very very hard to sell you something you don't need);)
 
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Well actually a cabin filter with activated carbon - I would take that if it becomes available.
Love the "no smell" vehicle. Up until that moment - no thank you.
 

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As a non native US-English speaker, I don't get the meaning of 'rotating the tires'. Can anyone explain?
Because tires (wheels) actually rotate all the time. Haha!
Tires are balanced on the rims and should stay in the same position on the rim from there on.
Or do you mean swapping front and back wheels, to ensure equal wear? I do that every time I swap my all-weather and winter wheels.
 
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As a non native US-English speaker, I don't get the meaning of 'rotating the tires'. Can anyone explain?
Because tires (wheels) actually rotate all the time. Haha!
Tires are balanced on the rims and should stay in the same poison on the rim from there on.
Or do you mean swapping front and back wheels, to ensure equal wear? I do that every time I swap my all-weather and winter wheels.
Rotating tires means you switch from winter to summer and back from my understanding. You aren't legally forced to do that in the US and many people use all-season tires aswell. Using the same tires the whole year increases wear and tear that's why if an american tells you his tires are dead after 2-3 years you can safely assume a higher lifespan ;).
 

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Rotating tires means you switch from winter to summer and back from my understanding.
Good guess, but no.
As a non native US-English speaker, I don't get the meaning of 'rotating the tires'. Can anyone explain?
In order to promote even wearing of the tires, you swap tire positions on the car.
You usually follow one of these patterns. Patterns A & C are preferred since every tire eventually ends up at every corner of the car.



People do this so that all four tires wear out at approximately the same time, and you can replace them with a different matching set of four.
 
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In US people mostly never switch the sets. They run on so-called "all-season" tires all year around
until they wear out.
Due to that they do the thing where they move the position of each tire. They call it rotation.

In many EU countries dedicated summer tires and dedicated not-summer tire sets are used.
In many places even required by law. US "all-season" tires are summer tires according to law.
And as we switch the sets we also rotate the position (compared to previous year).
And some even have two sets of wheels so no need to mount-unmount twice a year.

Two set configuration is better. Summer tires are way better than all-season tires in summer.
They are quieter, more efficient and better in grip, especially warm weather.
All-season tires do not handle snow, ice, slush, nor they do actually tolerate any cold (they get stiff).
They do well in rain though. But not when they are more than half worn.
Also no need for separate rotation procedure. We switch the sets and get "rotation" for free.
And of course, two sets last longer than twice as long.

Some tires must be kept on one side (due to rolling direction). In conjunction with different width tires (some
performance vehicles have wider tires at the back, incl Tesla) those tires can not be rotated at all.
Unidirectional tires should be mounted on the opposite side as well (so outer and inner side wear evenly).
 

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Okay, thanks.
Used to unidirectional tires, so I switch front to back vv. when I change from summer to winter vv. Absolutely no reason why I should pay someone to do such a simple twice yearly job.
Also a good moment to inspect suspension, brake pads, tires, tire pressure, etc.
 

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Personally, as I swap summer and winter tires each season, I simply measure the tread depth and put the two thickest tires on the drive wheels, or on AWD on the front steering wheels, so they wear to the next level. Simple rule, no need to keep track.


In US people mostly never switch the sets. They run on so-called "all-season" tires all year around
until they wear out.
Due to that they do the thing where they move the position of each tire. They call it rotation.
If you're going to generalize americans, don't give us credit for rotating tires! No one does that either. We just wear them down till they are bald, then complain about the car's traction and trade it in for a big heavy "safer" SUV. Which comes with another set of horrible all-season tires.
 
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Used to unidirectional tires, so I switch front to back vv. when I change from summer to winter vv. Absolutely no reason why I should pay someone to do such a simple twice yearly job.
Do you switch the sets or you switch only tires on the wheels?
I have Leaf with one set of wheels and I switch the tires only. Rebalancing is required.
I have BMW with two whole sets though I still rebalance. They do get 5-10gr off often. Sometimes balancing weight might get flushed off with wash :tonguewink:

Have a friend who does the job for half the price (10€ balancing and switching, 20€ for tire swap and balancing). I better let him do it and I watch.
 

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I keep track of the last position of my summer & winter wheels, so that I "rotate" their positions relative to the last time when it's time to switch from the other set. :)
I always plan to keep track of this, but I never do. Do you have any suggestions on how best to keep track? When I take it into the shop to rotate tires, what configuration do they use?
 

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I always plan to keep track of this, but I never do. Do you have any suggestions on how best to keep track? When I take it into the shop to rotate tires, what configuration do they use?
I write the position of the wheel on the inside wall of the tire with a crayon; LF, LR, RF, RR.
I have complete wheels, rims + tires. Light weight black steel rims for the (1" higher and thus heavier) winter tires. An extra set of steel rims doesn't cost that much.
I rebalance them normally roughly half way the life of the tires (after 30-40K km).
 

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I always plan to keep track of this, but I never do. Do you have any suggestions on how best to keep track? When I take it into the shop to rotate tires, what configuration do they use?
I write one of RF RR LF LR on a post-it and place it on each wheel to mark where it was last. I store them in my garage, and I change the wheels myself.

I usually use the "forward cross" pattern, but I did that even when I owned RWD vehicles.
 

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Thanks for the ideas! I'm a little confused how marking the position of the tires will help track previous configs?
 

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Personally, as I swap summer and winter tires each season, I simply measure the tread depth and put the two thickest tires on the drive wheels, or on AWD on the front steering wheels, so they wear to the next level. Simple rule, no need to keep track.




If you're going to generalize americans, don't give us credit for rotating tires! No one does that either. We just wear them down till they are bald, then complain about the car's traction and trade it in for a big heavy "safer" SUV. Which comes with another set of horrible all-season tires.
I thought you were supposed to throw the suv away and get another when your tires wear out.
 

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I also run summer/winter tires in Wisconsin. Once you get over the extra initial cost, it's totally worth it. I'll always run winter tires, it's just so much safer and less stressful.

Plus, each set wears less frequently, so you don't have to replace tires as "often."