220 miles v. 310 miles...what are your travel plans?

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220 miles ($35,000) v. 310 miles ($49,000) is a big difference in range and price. Since you have plenty of time to decide I suggest you head over to abetterrouteplanner.com. The site has been updated to include the two Model 3 battery options. I ran a regular drive from Orlando, Florida to Charleston, South Carolina. BTW Charleston is getting a Supercharger this year.

Larger battery allows me to skip a Supercharger and saves me an hour on the trip. Leaning toward the bigger battery at this point.
 
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I just want to be clear
For standard price of 35k you will get a range of 220 miles
For the extended range of 44k you will get 310
On all the cars at the event had the extended range and all the cars seemed to have black seats and when I see the wood trim I believe it is an upgrade for 5k
 

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I just want to be clear
For standard price of 35k you will get a range of 220 miles
For the extended range of 44k you will get 310
On all the cars at the event had the extended range and all the cars seemed to have black seats and when I see the wood trim I believe it is an upgrade for 5k
Yes, so for now it is $49,000 or $35,000
 

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I just want to be clear
For standard price of 35k you will get a range of 220 miles
For the extended range of 44k you will get 310
On all the cars at the event had the extended range and all the cars seemed to have black seats and when I see the wood trim I believe it is an upgrade for 5k
Russell, If you go to your My Tesla page and then the Delivery Estimator you will see First Production is $49,000 (310 battery with Premium upgrade) and next you will see Standard Battery ($35,000 for 220 mile range vehicle).
 

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My plans to get the larger battery actually revolve around speed (the 310 mi battery cars are 0.5 sec faster 0-60: 5.1 vs. 5.6) and battery longevity. My ~100 mi round trip to work would use half the smaller batteries capacity every day, while the trip would only use 1/3 the larger batteries capacity. Shallower cycles and only needing to charge to 75% or less put a lot less stress on the cells.
 

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I would not come close to needing more than 220 miles on a regular basis. Let's say 1-2 times a real we will drive to Disney World area and it's ~180 miles.

The 220 would be fine and there is a supercharger on the turnpike making it simple enough.

I am going with longer range though, so really nothing to worry about at all.
 

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I am having a tough time rationalizing the bigger battery option (but may have to take it, due to my reservation estimated smaller pack delivery date will likely take me past getting the full US $7500 tax credit) .

Assuming published eMPG figures are accurate:
220 mile pack -> 198 mile max real world road trip range between superchargers (100% SOC to 10% SOC is about as mean as I like to be to my packs, for daily commuting I use 80% SOC to 20% SOC)
310 mile pack -> 279 mile max real world road trip range between superchargers (90% SOC to 10% SOC)

That's a whopping $9K for 81 miles of range :unamused: (and that gap closes even more assuming equivalent battery pack degradation rate over time).

So this morning I headed over to evtripping.com, and decided to see about how the packs would differ on a real world annual US road trip I make, from LA to Austin:
220 mile pack -> 15 Supercharger stops -> 1798 miles total trip length -> 28h05m total trip time (using evtripping Model 3 60 data)
310 mile pack -> 8 Supercharger stops -> 1569 miles total trip length -> 23h52m total trip time (no Model 3 85+/- data available, so configured a Tesla P100D model at 86% efficiency (a hint that the Model 3 is significantly more efficient than the S), which models out as 311 miles range at 100% SOC, and the same average 272Wh/m as the Model 3 60 above)

A real eye opener. If you make lots or longer road trips, yes the bigger pack makes some time vs. money sense (but only then imo). Take your pick lots of short Supercharger stops and a lengthier trip, or half as many but lengthier Supercharger stops.

But $9k for 81 miles...really Tesla ????
 
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I am having a tough time rationalizing the bigger battery option (but may have to take it, due to my reservation estimated smaller pack delivery date will likely take me past getting the full US $7500 tax credit) .

Assuming published eMPG figures are accurate:
220 mile pack -> 198 mile max real world road trip range between superchargers (100% SOC to 10% SOC is about as mean as I like to be to my packs, for daily commuting I use 80% SOC to 20% SOC)
310 mile pack -> 279 mile max real world road trip range between superchargers (90% SOC to 10% SOC)

That's a whopping $9K for 81 miles of range :unamused: (and that gap closes even more assuming equivalent battery pack degradation rate over time).

So this morning I headed over to evtripping.com, and decided to see about how the packs would differ on a real world annual US road trip I make, from LA to Austin:
220 mile pack -> 15 Supercharger stops -> 1798 miles total trip length -> 28h05m total trip time (using evtripping Model 3 60 data)
310 mile pack -> 8 Supercharger stops -> 1569 miles total trip length -> 23h52m total trip time (no Model 3 85+/- data available, so configured a Tesla P100D model at 86% efficiency (a hint that the Model 3 is significantly more efficient than the S), which models out as 311 miles range at 100% SOC, and the same average 272Wh/m as the Model 3 60 above)

A real eye opener. If you make lots or longer road trips, yes the bigger pack makes some time vs. money sense (but only then imo). Take your pick lots of short Supercharger stops and a lengthier trip, or half as many but lengthier Supercharger stops.

But $9k for 81 miles...really Tesla ????
I think everyone is missing something when they say, wow $9k for 90 miles of range is a joke.
  1. You are also adding performance as 0-60 goes from 5.6 seconds down to 5.1 seconds
    1. Look at BMW 3 series for comparison
    2. 320i does 0-60 in 7.1 for $33,450
    3. 330i does 0-60 in 5.6 for $38,750
    4. 340i does 0-60 in 4.8 for $47,900
  2. Your battery warranty is extended from 100,000 miles to 120,000 miles
Go back to #1 though. The mass hysteria on option prices needs to be put to bed! The jump from 330i to 340i is $9,150.
 

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Go back to #1 though.
Excellent on topic reference back to the OP's "head over to abetterrouteplanner.com. The site has been updated to include the two Model 3 battery options." (I totally spaced on that for some reason, sorry OP). Headed over there right now, it would be interesting to see how close it is to evtripper.
 

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Excellent on topic reference back to the OP's "head over to abetterrouteplanner.com. The site has been updated to include the two Model 3 battery options." (I totally spaced on that for some reason, sorry OP). Headed over there right now, it would be interesting to see how close it is to evtripper.
I'm getting an "invalid security certificate" warning for abetterrouteplanner.com Mozilla calls it a "malicious site"
 

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I am having a tough time rationalizing the bigger battery option (but may have to take it, due to my reservation estimated smaller pack delivery date will likely take me past getting the full US $7500 tax credit) .

Assuming published eMPG figures are accurate:
220 mile pack -> 198 mile max real world road trip range between superchargers (100% SOC to 10% SOC is about as mean as I like to be to my packs, for daily commuting I use 80% SOC to 20% SOC)
310 mile pack -> 279 mile max real world road trip range between superchargers (90% SOC to 10% SOC)

That's a whopping $9K for 81 miles of range :unamused: (and that gap closes even more assuming equivalent battery pack degradation rate over time).

So this morning I headed over to evtripping.com, and decided to see about how the packs would differ on a real world annual US road trip I make, from LA to Austin:
220 mile pack -> 15 Supercharger stops -> 1798 miles total trip length -> 28h05m total trip time (using evtripping Model 3 60 data)
310 mile pack -> 8 Supercharger stops -> 1569 miles total trip length -> 23h52m total trip time (no Model 3 85+/- data available, so configured a Tesla P100D model at 86% efficiency (a hint that the Model 3 is significantly more efficient than the S), which models out as 311 miles range at 100% SOC, and the same average 272Wh/m as the Model 3 60 above)

A real eye opener. If you make lots or longer road trips, yes the bigger pack makes some time vs. money sense (but only then imo). Take your pick lots of short Supercharger stops and a lengthier trip, or half as many but lengthier Supercharger stops.

But $9k for 81 miles...really Tesla ????
In addition to the extra range, the charge times are faster with the larger pack. Look at the specs:

Standard Battery
  • Range: 220 miles (EPA estimated)
  • Supercharging rate: 130 miles of range per 30 minutes
  • Home charging rate: 30 miles of range per hour (240V outlet, 32A)
Long Range Battery - $9,000
  • Range: 310 miles
  • Supercharging rate: 170 miles of range per 30 minutes
  • Home charging rate: 37 miles of range per hour (240V outlet, 40A)
So you will not only save time with the extra range itself, but each charge will also be quicker.
 

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Excellent on topic reference back to the OP's "head over to abetterrouteplanner.com. The site has been updated to include the two Model 3 battery options." (I totally spaced on that for some reason, sorry OP). Headed over there right now, it would be interesting to see how close it is to evtripper.
I just added the 2 models to EVTripping.com. Still unsure of actual battery capacities which is how the calculations work but I've got placeholders in there that can be tweaked over time.
 

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So you will not only save time with the extra range itself, but each charge will also be quicker.
True true...

At first glance the 11 minute time savings (Supercharging to the smaller packs range capacity at the larger packs rate) seems trivial at first, but multiply that by 10-15 stops and it's certainly significant. Add to that the added savings of less stops, and the larger packs faster charging rate on the added capacity over the smaller pack, and the difference becomes even greater.

I almost have myself talked into taking out a loan for $9k and getting the bigger pack, but I have something against going the non 100% down route lol.

Thanks for adding both models to your planner!
 

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True true...

At first glance the 11 minute time savings (Supercharging to the smaller packs range capacity at the larger packs rate) seems trivial at first, but multiply that by 10-15 stops and it's certainly significant. Add to that the added savings of less stops, and the larger packs faster charging rate on the added capacity over the smaller pack, and the difference becomes even greater.

I almost have myself talked into taking out a loan for $9k and getting the bigger pack, but I have something against going the non 100% down route lol.

Thanks for adding both models to your planner!
Interest rates are so low that I'm only putting down $5k on top of the $1k they already have for the reservation.
 

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I'm no expert, but I think there are advantages to not draining the battery down too low during your weekly commute. If someone drives 100 miles a day, they are essentially using up half the capacity of the smaller pack daily, whereas it would be 1/3rd on the bigger pack. I've heard this really helps extend battery life. I could be wrong.
 

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I do mostly city driving and the longest trips I would need to take on occasion for work would be 120-150 miles so the standard version is more the enough for me. I live in so cal so there are alot of charging stations around too.

Honestly the only reason I am considering getting the larger battery version is to get the 3 faster. Thinking of saving the $9k and apply it to the autopilot and full self driving software features.
 
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I'm going with the 220. I have a 2 mile commute to work and would much rather put the $9,000 toward the premium package and wheels (and still have some money left over). I discussed with my cousin, who has a 240 range Model S, she said in extreme heat or cold (a lot of extreme heat in TX), you get about 200 miles out of it regardless. Considering my most frequent road trip is to Austin - probably 3-4 times a year- which is around 225 miles door to door of where I go, range anxiety would likely kick in no matter which configuration I go. I figure I'll be stopping in Waco at the Supercharger regardless, and will enjoy the creature comforts every other day I own the car much more than the range.
 

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I'm going with the 220. I have a 2 mile commute to work and would much rather put the $9,000 toward the premium package and wheels (and still have some money left over). I discussed with my cousin, who has a 240 range Model S, she said in extreme heat or cold (a lot of extreme heat in TX), you get about 200 miles out of it regardless. Considering my most frequent road trip is to Austin - probably 3-4 times a year- which is around 225 miles door to door of where I go, range anxiety would likely kick in no matter which configuration I go. I figure I'll be stopping in Waco at the Supercharger regardless, and will enjoy the creature comforts every other day I own the car much more than the range.
Bummer on the 2 mile commute. I'm happy I get to spend 45 minutes each way in the car now ;)